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  1. ALF
    4th June 2008
    ALF
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    chafic

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    his supporters who have been - among others - the ammunition for the new Lebanon and who have been at the core of the making of [Lebanese] independence.
    The last time I checked, besides FPM and to a certain extent LF, no one resisted the Syrians between 1990-2005.

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    a peoples' leader who addresses crowds with a simplistic military logic that carries within it instigation against the political class
    It helps when the majority of our political class is made of former warlords, corrupt politicians, and feudal leaders. Maybe the crowds are genuinely fed up with the political class.

    This is the type of elitist speech that I have been talking about!

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    he presents himself as the father of independence and claims that it was him who brought back to Lebanon its sovereignty and freedom
    I think GMA deserves credit for his 15 year struggle to oust the Syrians from Lebanon. He deserves more praise than Jumblatt for that matter.

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    Aoun ignores the role of Walid Jumblatt [in the uprising] or [Jumblatt's] virtue of putting his head under the guillotine [during that uprising].
    I leave that to your own judgement.

    I still remember that Jumblatt was only asking for a Syrian redeployment to the Bekaa valley.

    I dont know if it is right to compare GMA & FPM's 15 year struggle, with Jumblatt's stance post Hariri assasination, although GMA, when asked about Jumblatt's stance when he was still in France, replied with: shou baddkon ye2tlou!

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    Aoun considers the assassination of Rafik Hariri as merely the spark which ignited the uprising and in which the slain premier had nothing to do
    To those who are gullible to believe that Hariri was working on ousting the Syrians from Lebanon, I will tell u a story that GMA told us when we visited him a while back: In 2004, post SALSRA & UN 1559, When FPM was sending out invitations to the Lebanese leaders to discuss the post-Syrian era, Hariri's words were: "rou7o rou7o, 3am ta3mlo di3aye la 7alkon"

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    It might be logical from Aoun's point of view to condescend the Qornet Shehwan Gathering and all the Maronite politicians other than him
    the elections showed that it wasnt just Aoun! but that might be "the populist" speech that he dislikes.

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    highlighting his role behind the shift in the international view of Syria without giving any credit to the active role of the Aounists on the ground
    It reminds me of the yellow journalists trying to create a wedge between Aoun and the FPM activists. ya3ne FPMers radyin, bass Samir Kassir mish rade!

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    The first misconception lies in confusing the role of the Syrian rule during the war, which had taken different shapes but had always been destructive, and the complex mandate system that [the Syrian rule] erected in Lebanon after the war by benefiting of what had befallen the Lebanese society during the last two chapters of the war between the years 1988 and 1991 - that is specifically during Aoun's days
    confusing the role? what the hell...

    I like how they tend to blame Aoun for the Syrian invasion. ya3ne, it is because of Aoun that the Syrians invaded and took control of Lebanon.

    walla shou hel 7mar Aoun

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    and after the manipulation of Taef due to Aoun's rejection of it
    Thats the icing on the cake...

    So Syria manipulated Taef due to Aoun's rejection of it....

    2iddei fakkar fiya heyde??? This type of intellectual thinking surely beats me

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    This opposition rather invented new collective and democratic tools
    ma32oule shou hel 7mar Aoun, he couldnt be a bit more creative, and come up with a novel way to say: daroure, shar3e, mou2akkat

    If Kassir believes that Aoun wasnt the main player in forcing a Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon, I think we all agree it wasnt this so called opposition.

    Cheers
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