Low Level of threads

[Hye4Lebanon]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

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I prefer if you be Shlomo

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

It is weird how you disagree only with the threads that are attacking F14...

It is weird indeed since I do not remotely fond of the group known as M14, however list a thread within the same period that mocks a M8 figure similarly.

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

To be frank,certain bozos that we have in Lebanon as "politicians" do not deserve more than light and funny carricaturistic threads.And i would really be alarmed otherwise.

Then why discuss them if they don't deserve it? I do not hold much esteem to those "politicians" anyway.

Originally Posted by Icebolt

It's relevant as in it's quite normal to have threads that are not so high on the level of topics, bc members from all kinds open threads and not all of them are like Dry Ice and create top-end threads. Should one just not approve them bc of it? Isn't it censorship and dictatorship on mass scale?

I wasn’t taking of drastic measures, that is not Nazi Germany, however there always could be some smoothing, which I was suggesting.

Originally Posted by Icebolt

Well, who among C&R bloc can be mocked except N2oula? u want threads to be created just for the purpose of equating both sides when no material is actually available to do so? If it happens that one side is actually providing the material to be mocked while the other side isn't, why do u blame it on the moderators?

I am against any type of extended and repeated political mocking, if the general political scene is of low quality, that does not mean the masses should follow.

Cheers

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Suggestion: A separate room (or not) could be created to discuss each political personality...

The threads that DI mentionned (Geagea daily telegraph, Sami Gemayyel Wa7esh Neyem, Goodbye Nayla, Nassib Lahoud is back, Moustafa Alloush, GEbran Bassil, Nabil Nkoula, you know, the most bashed politicians) will all be included in this room... Forumers could then provide their take on the matter in this separate section of the forum.

The Orange Room main political section would be kept to discuss issues such as clientelism, possible alliances, elections, political developments, humanitarian issues, etc (topics that require a bit more of intellectual processing capabilities)...

As for inflamatory posts, well the mods are doing the best they can, but as X mentionned, it all boils down to the forumers level of discussion and intentions.

Regards

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Then why discuss them if they don't deserve it? I do not hold much esteem to those "politicians" anyway.

I didn't say that they don't deserve to be discussed.On the coutrary.They should be discussed and exposed,but exactly the way they are.In othe words.i just said that their behavior doesn't make much room for a more elaborate or sophisticated discussion.

But exposing them according the real image that they reflect by their behavior,and level, can be fruitful since on the long run,it could show their supporters things they might not even notice otherwise.

Me,Shlomo,like popular political mockery to a certain extent very much,and aknowledge its rightful place in societies.Different than bashing.

It's not always of my personal taste,but then,even so-called serious discussions are not of my personal taste sometimes...And have nothing serious or fruitful but the external package and appearence.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

I didn't say that they don't deserve to be discussed.On the coutrary.They should be discussed and exposed,but exactly the way they are.In othe words.i just said that their behavior doesn't make much room for a more elaborate or sophisticated discussion.

But exposing them according the real image that they reflect by their behavior,and level, can be fruitful since on the long run,it could show their supporters things they might not even notice otherwise.

Me,Shlomo,like popular political mockery to a certain extent very much,and aknowledge its rightful place in societies.Different than bashing.

It's not always of my personal taste,but then,even so-called serious discussions are not of my personal taste sometimes...And have nothing serious or fruitful but the external package and appearence.

Abou Sandal, there's a way on how to discuss that type of politicians.

For example, one can call XYZ a "Saudi boot-licker" or a politician with conflicting national interests because of personal business in Saudi Arabia.

Both phrases discuss the same politician and provide a criticism on its activities.

And the list goes on..

[Icebolt]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

I wasn’t taking of drastic measures, that is not Nazi Germany, however there always could be some smoothing, which I was suggesting.

Noted.

I am against any type of extended and repeated political mocking, if the general political scene is of low quality, that does not mean the masses should follow.

Cheers

I completely agree with you on this point.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Abou Sandal, there's a way on how to discuss that type of politicians.

For example, one can call XYZ a "Saudi boot-licker" or a politician with conflicting national interests because of personal business in Saudi Arabia.

Both phrases discuss the same politician and provide a criticism on its activities.

And the list goes on..

Tayyeb we kept saying "politician with conflicting national interests because of personal business in Saudi Arabia" for years....Bel Ekhir ,Fala2na and we had just enough of his "personal business",and at some point, the plain truth is that he is just a "Saudi boot-licker"...

Ok,now on a serious note,

Enno DI,it's not like i'm advocating for the constant use of this kind of terminology Ya3neh....I wasn't even near that kind of registry.

But also,i'm against establishing some kind of "moral" hierarchy over which,threads should be accepted or neglected.Because if so,I would be asking for the deletion of sooooo many posts and threads,even if they don't use terminologies like "Saudi boot-licker".

Anyway,

I was just talking in general about popular political mockery (to a certain extent )and its rightful place in societies.Different than bashing or expressly insulting people.

So a thread called "Bye Nayla" is in no way comparable to a post using the term "Saudi boot-licker"...Which is also different from certain levels of insults.Some analogies don't really stand here.

[Dry Ice]

Abou Sandal, there was no kind of moral hierarchy but a general observation and a general opinion, what the staff would like to do with it is their own prerogative.

ps: check the replies within the "bye nayla" thingie, it's not merely about the title but the inroad(s) that it opens.

Thanks

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Abou Sandal, there was no kind of moral hierarchy but a general observation and a general opinion, what the staff would like to do with it is their own prerogative.

ps: check the replies within the "bye nayla" thingie, it's not merely about the title but the inroad(s) that it opens.

Thanks

OK,

On this one you're right.When it comes to posting replies,some (few although) posts are not worth keeping on the forum, i agree,and it has been a long time since the level of discussion and debate have been decreasing in Lebanon,generally.

Political satyre is good IMHO,but not everyone understands or has the subtility to keep a certain decent level.

That's a more understandably debatable issue than the one you originally brought.

This thread should maybe better be called "low level of postings",and i would have then gladly discussed all the aspects of it,one of them being certain replies posted in some of the threads you pointed out at.

Regards.

[Dry Ice]

Abou Sandal, I maintain that talking in such way about Nayla Moawad, Sami Gemayel and the [licking] aka profiteering of M14 figures towards FPM is low level.

They are low because their topic targets and way of discussion (Moawad, Gemayel, M14 profiteers) are low, and by using the term "low" I do not mean any insult towards those "politicians", just the fact that there are higher issues out there

I couldn't be clearer than that.