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Icon8 Total re-work of OTV (redefinition of its mission) - 15th June 2009

Dear all,

Although time hasn't allowed me to be posting in this forum for some time, it is nice to see some faces again.

Within the scope of discussing OTV's mission, which is in my opinion part of a wider problem we are facing, resulting in major distance between many people and our ideas.

Anyway, looking at how OTV now manages, I am not surprised to see the results of the last elections. Just to note to everyone, our goal is not to win majorities in the christian areas, but our goal is to make FPM and its ideas number one in all areas including Tripoli, Donniyeh, all Beirut, Saida, everywhere.

We used to complain so much that we didn't have the right means to explain our mission, until we got OTV, but what became of OTV?

--> Another politically aligned TV, which shows inflammatory (& re-actionary) news at 8PM, and then it's all sorts of useless shows.

I understand that the structure of OTV, belonging to its shareholders, has to make profit for them, this means more audience, more silliness (Miss & Mr Maten for example 1 day before elections).

In my opinion, OTV is becoming more of a burden (towards the shareholders, the costs, the incomes, the management, all), than a useful tool. A complete restructuring of its mission and finance model is required. We need an outlet (TV or otherwise) to EXPLAIN OUR IDEAS AND IDEALS, remember that our mission is self-liberation, let us not drift.

I don't want a TV whose sole activity is scandals and late night political shows. The TV should belong to the ideas, and not the shareholders.

Anyway, just an example in a greater scope, of what I feel that FPM is getting more and more paralized by being institutionalized.
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CPL! Glad people like you are back in the right time, especially that it's the time where pu*sies are leaving the battlefield one after the other, which is great!

I salute you for not remaining silent! People like us have to reveal themselves so others won't feel alone or doubt the rightness of their thoughts when the absolute majority is sinking in an ocean of bull*s*hit and absurdity!

I'm wondering who's the first that will pop up to treat you like a person that was recently bribed by Michel el Murr :P I'm too excited to encounter those mini-FPMers!

The issue is not about OTV... It's about this hell of a movement!

For years we're thriving and leaving everything and hitting on tables and shouting and moving and acting and reacting to reform this movement and clean it from its impurities (in case people like us are not the ones to be called impurities yet)!

But unfortunately, FPM reached a point of no return and the way it is now, it's non-reformable anymore! You can fix some minor details but the problem is at the roots!

We need what we, engineers, call "Re-engineering" or "Re-inventing" FPM, from bottom up (the top still being the only shining point in this whole body!).

How to re-engineer or re-invent our movement? That's a long story... Soon enough we might have the chance to discuss it in the political forum.

Profit from these few minutes to read this post because it's definitely a "machrou3 chahid" as some neo-Mini-FPMers are always here "3ala ahabb el este3dad li mouwajahat el mou2amara el emperyaliyya" and might delete this mind-corrupting reply!
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CPL! Glad people like you are back in the right time, especially that it's the time where pu*sies are leaving the battlefield one after the other, which is great!

I salute you for not remaining silent! People like us have to reveal themselves so others won't feel alone or doubt the rightness of their thoughts when the absolute majority is sinking in an ocean of bull*s*hit and absurdity!

I'm wondering who's the first that will pop up to treat you like a person that was recently bribed by Michel el Murr :P I'm too excited to encounter those mini-FPMers!

The issue is not about OTV... It's about this hell of a movement!

For years we're thriving and leaving everything and hitting on tables and shouting and moving and acting and reacting to reform this movement and clean it from its impurities (in case people like us are not the ones to be called impurities yet)!

But unfortunately, FPM reached a point of no return and the way it is now, it's non-reformable anymore! You can fix some minor details but the problem is at the roots!

We need what we, engineers, call "Re-engineering" or "Re-inventing" FPM, from bottom up (the top still being the only shining point in this whole body!).

How to re-engineer or re-invent our movement? That's a long story... Soon enough we might have the chance to discuss it in the political forum.

Profit from these few minutes to read this post because it's definitely a "machrou3 chahid" as some neo-Mini-FPMers are always here "3ala ahabb el este3dad li mouwajahat el mou2amara el emperyaliyya" and might delete this mind-corrupting reply!
i think we should also explain and clarify its missions, ideas and ways of working things out to the people you have called mini-FPMers, because they are also affecting the general ideology of FPM
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start by changing some of the programs,

change the freaking graphics and cameras... OTV is almost 2 years old and its the same dull graphics we see... ma fi bright colors , its like watching tv in the 80's.

one funny thing , they've been playing advertisement for the moving "we were soldiers" for a whole freaking week now ( ka anno shi major summer blockbuster, knowing that OTV plays one movie every month iza sarit ) , so anyway the day it aired they skipped the news for a movie :) that was so funny.

I really like OTV however they have MAJOR areas of improvement and things they need to improve.
*cough* NASTIA *cough*
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Good, I hope people will not start bashing you now.

I've already tried to say the same thing before, unfortunately I was attacked by everyone telling me that OTV is only saying the truth and the others are liars.
Not to forget the very stupid comments such as: "that's how the others deserve to be treated"....

Good luck with that
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The jade the problem is that people cant even differentiate between the truth and the way you communicate it.

If you criticize how the MoU was explained or presented or packaged, for example, that doesnt mean youre against it.

It just means you want to be smart about it so that it reaches its goals.

If OTV runs a 20 minutes poetic intro to its news, FPMers will start clapping but what good will it do?
Who is the target audience? Whats the strategy to attract it? Is it ment to be a cheerleader for FPMers?

It isnt surprising though, all the "media figures" and people in charge of it, all you hear from them are poems about GMA on tayyar.org.
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LP,

The problem is not with means of communication!

Communication includes substantial components that are:

Source, Destination, Path/Means, Communicated Material and Noise.

What you are saying is that the problem is at the level of Means of communication. No this is not true.

The problem that we care to treat mainly is at the level of the source and the communicated material, and this is very dangerous! This is why I said attempt to reform is a waste of time. What's needed is a re-engineering/re-invention process!

Secondary problems are at the level of the destination and the noise. We have to struggle to influence the destination by increasing the individual citizen's awareness, as well as the one of the public in general. But influence is done through communication, and here we come back to the source and communicated material problem mentioned above. Concerning noise, what we can do is either preventive or active measures in order to make sure our communicated material reaches the destination correctly without any interference in its path!
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LP,

The problem is not with means of communication!

Communication includes substantial components that are:

Source, Destination, Path/Means, Communicated Material and Noise.

What you are saying is that the problem is at the level of Means of communication. No this is not true.

The problem that we care to treat mainly is at the level of the source and the communicated material, and this is very dangerous! This is why I said attempt to reform is a waste of time. What's needed is a re-engineering/re-invention process!

Secondary problems are at the level of the destination and the noise. We have to struggle to influence the destination by increasing the individual citizen's awareness, as well as the one of the public in general. But influence is done through communication, and here we come back to the source and communicated material problem mentioned above. Concerning noise, what we can do is either preventive or active measures in order to make sure our communicated material reaches the destination correctly without any interference in its path!
Youre right Bassam, youre looking at the bigger (and arguably more important) picture, while i was looking at a specific period and specific political moves that needed to be communicated, and not the overall original vision. Perhaps me doing that is yet another proof of how we lost sight of it.
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I 100% agree with all of you! Change the studio dakhilkon the second one was better where u can see beirut and the water behind the anchor. Change the Intro. get someone neutral and change jean Aziz. Change 3achra ba3 nachra and the talented guy can have his own show like rou2 3a sabre for example. Give dima sadek her own show all my 14 febs friends watch OTV only for her because she is not Shirley l murr or May chidiac. Get back charbel khalil. I also wish if they can change the logo Ó and maybe if they can put the earth inside it or something just be creative the Ó logo is so boring.

This is not enough OTV should be a little neutral like LBC for example don't show everything in the intro. be smart and use FPM views but not in the intro.

Also if u can do like CNN don't even start with an intro. just start with the titles of today's news.

Change the idea of fakker martein for example OTV can help the poor families in lebanon and fakker martein can help them with the donations remember the church in Syria?
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You guys are talking like if OTV's officials are reformists and are just missing the way to practice their ideals... lol

Khalas I won't allow myself to say more in public... My war today is not with FPM nor with OTV. Both can take care of their own auto-destruction, more than you could ever imagine!

We have a country to save and a lot to do, with the great privilege of having GMA with us, in addition to his great legacy!

What we need to do is create and form good citizens, which eventually can be good media activists and eventually preserve the real essential good mission of the media, that is to lead the public opinion correctly and defend the public cause and spread awareness and truth!

As soon as we achieve that, OTV and other media outlets will start to tend to be of good added value to our society and to the world they reach!
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