OTV Special Episode about Ehden Massacre

[Zghertewe]

Originally Posted by oscard

in what kayrouz said, there was some truth. Marada were causing a lot of trouble in the area with the Syrians, and this is a fact. however, this issue should have been dealt with in a different way.
it is still a massacre in all its meanings

and concerning OTV, and why they aired this program, i had the same question in mind, taking into consideration that we need to calm down things and not get things tougher to solve, and get people fighting again.

After reading such comments, I am more convinced that we need to air more from the past, because frankly I don't think you are aware of what happened back then. I advise you to watch the documentary.

[Arze]

زهرا: القوات تستطيع الاستغناء عن كل من يضع شروطا على تاريخها العظيم

16
حزيران 2008
شدّد عضو كتلة "القوات اللبنانية" النائب أنطوان زهرا على أنّ "القوات بعظمة تاريخها ومهمّاتها حريصةٌ على كلّ فرد كائناً من كان مرّ يوماً تحت نافذتها، وتستطيع أن تستغني عن أعظم مجموعة يمكن أن تعتبر أنّ البلد لا يقوم إلاّ على أكتافها". وأكد زهرا في كلمة له في خلوتين للقوات في بلدة دوما أن "القوات ترحّب بالجميع وتستطيع أن تستغني عن كلّ من يضع شروطاً على هذا التاريخ العظيم وعلى الشهداء الذين دفعتهم القوات في سبيل الحفاظ على لبنان".

I Couldn't but laugh when I read this...

[Youchka]

I was talking to a woman today, a 50 year old neutral woman. She told me, first when I heard about the episode I thought why is OTv opening this issue now, we do not need to open wounds, then I watched it because I was curious, and I am so glad I did, because I got the message OTV was sending, I did not see hate in the episode despite the big tragedy, the message I got was forgiveness, that we Christians should forgive each other, talk about our problems, and solve them, I also was happy to see that most of the families parents were having a decent speech, where there was no hate.

[Free_Patriot]

My 2 cents, and I apologize in advance for my objectivity that is leaving me without any friends left and right

- Bay bayya is a coward, the fact that he was injured is a credible proof that he was there. Anybody who was there in this horrible crime should be condemned for eternity. He might have got out of jail and serve a sentence, but history should not, and will not make him an angel. This episode is a good lesson for all those who get too carried away in the dirtyness of civil wars

- People talk a lot about Joud El Baye3, and the "crimes" of Marada before the massacre. That doesn't justify killing children, and that's not an argument why the episode shouldn't have been aired, afterall, it's just a tv report to commemorate a slain politician. I don't see anything wrong with the episode.

- I don't understand why the "current" LF of "angles" are upset about this tv report. I don't understand why they felt it's against them.

- People forget to mention that AFTER THE MASSACRE, a lot of revenge crimes took place that I am aware of personally because of where I come from, and I don't want to say more, all I want to say is that FORGIVENESS IS NOT VALID after revenge has already taken place. It's very easy to sit back and sell forgiveness bel kilo and buy it back whenever the political exploitation requires it.

[LEBNEN AWALAN]

Keyrouz BIG mistake and lie:

1) He said that FRANGIEH know very well who killed his father and that FRANGYEH FAMILY tried to assasinate the killer by putting a BOMB in 1991 in his car ...AND that FRANGYEH FAMILY know that GEAGEA IS BARA2A...

2) AT the end of his speech, KEYROUZ said that FRANGYEH FAMILY fata7et te7kik in the late of the 90th, kermel yetehmo GEAGEA bel eghtiyel....and didnt succeed?

ino walaw mafya souria trakeblo yeha? ino walaw hal 2ad frangyeh ghasshim? mich 3eref ino mala7 ye2dar?

[Dan`-]

ma3leh there's something I don't get: Why should this massacare be publically re-opened and re-discussed, while all other massacares are kept away from the light? Ok, SG is a criminal and the LF comitted crimes during the war...but are they the only ones?? Its been 30 years ever since this massacare took place, I wonder no other massacares took place at all? If we're going to talk about one massacare of the past, we'd better be fair and talk about them all or close the whole issue and be brave enough to open a new page.

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by Free_Patriot

- People forget to mention that AFTER THE MASSACRE, a lot of revenge crimes took place that I am aware of personally because of where I come from, and I don't want to say more, all I want to say is that FORGIVENESS IS NOT VALID after revenge has already taken place. It's very easy to sit back and sell forgiveness bel kilo and buy it back whenever the political exploitation requires it.

True revengae was carried out. The OTV show mentioned the issue.

Ehden was not a carried out against another person. People that died in Ehden were loosely related and revenge was carried out on personal level for most cases. Unless, you want to considered battles between Marada and Kataeb were revenge actions!

I don't believe Sleiman Franjieh gained anything from his forgiviness...If anything some of his supporters and family members were against the move. I would like you to to show me how Sleiman Franjieh sold forgivness bil kilo and bought it back for political exploitation.

[TayyarBeino]

"otv" تردّ على كيروز وتتحداه مؤكدة جهوزيتها لتقديم المزيد من الوثائق
16 حزيران 2008

ردّ تلفزيون الـ
"otv"
على المؤتمر الصحافي الذي عقده عضو كتلة "القوات اللبنانية" النائب إيلي كيروز على خلفية البرنامج الوثائقي الذي عرضته المحطة يوم الجمعة حول مجزرة إهدن مشيرة إلى أن كل ما تضمنه كلام النائب المذكور من معلومات تاريخية وإسنادات يؤكد مرة جديدة صواب ما قامت به المحطة لجهة البحث عن الحقيقة الكاملة كمدخل وحيد إلى المصالحة على قاعدة اعتراف الجميع بالأخطاء.
المحطة، وفي بيان أذاعتها ضمن نشرتها الاخبارية، رأت أن حديث النائب كيروز عن مساعٍ قام بها هو من خلفه لتوقيف البرنامج شابه خطأ واضح وهو ما أعلنه في قوله أن المحطة تابعة لرئيس تكتل "التغيير والاصلاح" العماد ميشال عون لافتة نظره إلى أن ملكية المحطة تعود إلى أكثر من 50 ألف مواطن مستغربة إسقاط واقع الأشخاص ونهجهم على الآخرين مشددة على أن الـ"otv" غير تابعة لأحد حتى يتوهم البعض أنه يمكن التعامل معها كما يتم التعامل معه.
وتناولت المحطة كلام كيروز المباشر أو المستتر أن المحطة جزء من تكليف سوري أو إيراني قارئة فيه محاولة افتعال لخلافات مسيحية متحدية إياه ومن تبقى من زملائه أن يأتوا بتصريح واحد لهم منذ العام 1990 وحتى 14 آذار 2005 يطالب بالخروج السوري من لبنان قائلة أن الجواب هو لدى اللواء جميل السيد "ليسأله كيروز لماذا ظل المسؤولون عنه يعيدونه طيلة 11 عاماً ببطاقات يكتبون له عليها صديقك من صادقك لا من صدّقك.
وإذ أكدت المحطة أنه يكفيها من إيمانها في رسالتها أن تعرف الحقيقة لتتحرر وتحرر وأن يكون كلامها دوماً نعم نعم أو لا فلا، أكدت جهوزيتها لتقديم المزيد إذا أراد كيروز عن تلك المرحلة من وثائق "يعرفها تمام المعرفة ويعرف أننا نعرفها".

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by Dan`-

ma3leh there's something I don't get: Why should this massacare be publically re-opened and re-discussed, while all other massacares are kept away from the light? Ok, SG is a criminal and the LF comitted crimes during the war...but are they the only ones?? Its been 30 years ever since this massacare took place, I wonder no other massacares took place at all? If we're going to talk about one massacare of the past, we'd better be fair and talk about them all or close the whole issue and be brave enough to open a new page.

For one thing, the person that committed this massacre (geagea) is known and proud of it. No one is against opening files of different massacres.

To be fair, Tony Franieh assassination is the only "solved" political crime in Lebanon.

[hannaalsayssa]

kindly give us names about people who were killed after
except people who were active fighters and lf activists
it was a war and i personally would condemn innocent killings if it was done by SF people.
i appreciate your efforts to be as much as fair to both sides
but i can assure you that my knowledge about this episode is significant and i have no knowledge of civilians death.
even the daher family in 3arjess were not harmed
just asked to leave if they want to saty in kataeb, which some did
i think it was better than being killed at sg did to his opponents later on or to what bachir did to his own opponents ( cham3oun , tadamoun, others....)
if you compare both sides you can see a clear difference of action , and yes even war it has its own ethics ( Geneva convention) and chivalery.
sg lf had none and still have none
forget about them saying sorry, now they say someone else did it.
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL OPENING OF OLD WOUNDS WA NAQE2 AL JERRAH.
DENY ENOUGH SOME WILL BELEIVE.