OTV Special Episode about Ehden Massacre

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Bachir

The episode was great, it is really important for the new generation to know the history very well, so they can know who are they supporting and who are they suppose to support, and how to make their choices.

Yeah to "know the history" with a selective memory... since it s obvious that the FPM propaganda is highlighting some events of the past while overshadowing others.
besides it s up to you to decide wether you want to be stuck in the past or turn another page. But since you re preaching "national unity" may i suggest you to turn the page.

[Rye]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

Yeah to "know the history" with a selective memory... since it s obvious that the FPM propaganda is highlighting some events of the past while overshadowing others.
besides it s up to you to decide wether you want to be stuck in the past or turn another page. But since you re preaching "national unity" may i suggest you to turn the page.

so why don't you enlighten us about the shaded areas? go ahead this is what the forum is all about! indulge us with your knowledge about those shaded historical points of Ehden Massacre.

being stuck in the memory is the selective part of your conversation. we have a past and proud of it while those who are not proud of their history take it from a different angle. ironically it's those who have the past that keep digging ours! how many times did you hear them saying that GMA caused thousands to die in the Lebanese war and therefore he is not to take power (presidency) again? now who's being selective?

[Rors]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

Yeah to "know the history" with a selective memory... since it s obvious that the FPM propaganda is highlighting some events of the past while overshadowing others.
besides it's up to you to decide wether you want to be stuck in the past or turn another page. But since you re preaching "national unity" may i suggest you to turn the page.

wein byoserfouwa haydeh "turn the page" w point a la ligne? At least before we turn it, let's take the lessons out of it. It reminded me of the attacks that rained over FPM for demanding investigations about Halat mass graves, like FPM was breaking national unity and opening old wounds, when in fact those wounds have never been taken care of to begin with, and parents are still waiting for a clue of their loved ones' whereabouts... bas no, they should turn the page, fi we7deh wataniyyeh bel da2, walaw.

While we're at it, why dont we also turn the page on whoever killed Hariri, Kassir, Hawi, Tueini, PG,... for the sake of consolidating national unity... Ma the loyalists are accusing HA of at least having a hand in those murders, and FPM also got its share of accusations after PG was killed (khedlak ba2a). Let's work with your suggestion, this way we dont get stuck in the past and w men7afez 3al we7deh lwataniyyeh, right?

Get the drift? or we only turn the page because fi msalleh somewhere 3am ten3ar someone w mesh kteer 7elweh lal prestige?

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Why did I have the impression last night that he did not actually apologize and that he is actually bragging about it? Why did the victims families have the impression that he never apologized? Why did he not answer Sleiman Franjieh's call when he first got out of jail.

Again I repeat, it all takes ONE STRAIGHT SINCERE APOLOGY.

I don't know.

Here's a small quote of an apology he issued for Black Saturday. It was in an interview with the Daily Star. This was on April 14, 2007.

Geagea apologizes Geagea, one of the major players of the previous war, said certain events from that conflict were "the shame and regret" of the Lebanese Forces. "I consider the events of Black Saturday to be a black mark on the history of the Lebanese Christian right wing, even if the LF was not born yet," Geagea said. Geagea said that the LF did not want the war to happen, "but we couldn't remain silent while Palestinians and later on Syrians violated our rights and our land." "Those who launch wars need to apologize and not those who defend themselves and their land against assaults," Geagea said. He said he still expects an apology from the Syrians "for the atrocities they committed in Lebanon," adding the LF "opposed" further wars "unless we feel we are threatened and where constitutional institutions can no longer protect us."

I can't seem to find any reference to his TV interviews, but I'm surprised you didn't hear it if you watched these interviews.

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Always glad to be entertaining.

Why don't you seek transparency seeknirvana?

I will, when you start having some "Dine" ;)

1- He does not recognise killing karami, neither Frangieh, neither chamoun, neither ghaith khoury ........

OK. I don't recall saying the opposite. I just said that the guy apologized. Youchka seems to accept an apology as a sufficient action, and I was simply telling her that he did apologize.

2- I never heard him apologising, he was saying "in case there was something wrong, I apologise for it", but he really thinks there was nothing wrong

Check the quote above about Black Saturday. And what you're quoting seems like an apology to me.

3- He does not care, why would you?

I don't.

Behavior like yours, might push him to feel free and do what he did to Marc Howayek, because he will find always justifications and people to believe it

I guess we're both entertained by each other's posts.

[Bachir]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

Yeah to "know the history" with a selective memory... since it s obvious that the FPM propaganda is highlighting some events of the past while overshadowing others.
besides it s up to you to decide wether you want to be stuck in the past or turn another page. But since you re preaching "national unity" may i suggest you to turn the page.

Otv contacted Samir Geagea and asked him for an interview about Ehden Massacre and he refused, so he had a chance to participate and express his point of view. But what is he going to say? He admits it and he is proud of it.

The aim from such episode is "tenzeker ta ma ten3ad". You are so shy about LF history, I don’t know if you are LFer, don’t lie to yourself, this is the history. It has nothing to do with the unity, Frangieh family forgave, but Geagea is not asking for forgiveness in the first place. el 2atil redi wel 2atel mech 3ejbou.

This is Geagea, this is LF’s history, read the past so you can plan the future.
when it comes to LF crimes, it is against the unity to talk about it, as Rors said why dont we turn the page on who killed Hariri and co, as 14march audience always says "baddna n3ish, khallsouna ba2a"
eh khallsouna menkon ba2a, you blame us for remembering the martyrs of Ehden massacre, go blame who did it since you care that much about the national unity.

[Ignatius]

The commemorative "show" was quite well done
Maybe we can vote for the next commemorative show :
- Sabra&Shatila
- Mountain war in 83-85
- The war of the two years (75-76)
- Etc.

[Inanna]

the best part is the way the episode ended when the anchor reminded all people that we will never forget yet we should forgive... the killer part was when one said that they thought that the body of Jihane looked like a doll...
May the souls of the all martyrs rest in peace...

[hannaalsayssa]

i would love a part on the genocide in jabal
but maybe we should leave it till 09 election
our wounds there are yet to heal
especially that blood thirsty killer is still keeping our church bells and our homes hostages and occupied.

[tattwa]

Originally Posted by Bachir

it is not about opening old "dossier", the new generation who is following blindly Samir Geagea is suppose to know his history. the new generation dont know about Ehden details or Safra details or Rachid Karami details or Dani Chamoun details...
they are suppose to read very well the past so they can plan their future.

Not only that, but these type of shows are a "catharsis" ie cleaning up the old , trying to wash away the pain, hurt and wounds. In South Africa, after the apartheid, this hard work was done openly by all the different sides, and it cleaned the past. We should have more of these programs, not to for the purpose of just accusing the other, but in order to establish an open dialogue and reach genuine forgiveness. As it was said : we will not forget but we will forgive.

[tattwa]

I think that we should congratulate "OTV" for the beautiful setting for the show. It was really impressive and perfect, of very high quality.