OTV Special Episode about Ehden Massacre

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by LeBaNeSeCiTiZeN

the episode was good but , as some people said : its from the past i dont think opening old problems will help us .
we should not open or remind people with problems that hurts our comunity (christians comunity) IF fpm want to open SOME (dossier) from the past i think all our leaders will go to jail its not the problem with geagea only its with ( nabih berri , walid jumblat , samir geagea , amine gemayel , ...... ) who paticipate in the civil war .

You are right

But if you ask me whether was it better to have the episode or to keep the stroy without understanding what happened and why happened and what was consequences , i would definitely prefer the first

[Youchka]

My reaction after the episode:
I was sad, it did not make me hate SG more or less, I always knew what he did, but I came out of this episode with one conclusion:
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO APOLOGIZE? IS SG MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO DID MISTAKES AND APOLOGIZED FOR THEM?

Heck, even Michel Murr apologized from the FPMers, he who did not shed one drop of blood.

I hope after this episode, SG and all LFers got the message, understood from the parents of the deceased and from Sleiman Franjieh himself, these people, despite all the pain, are ready to forgive, and I hope that SG will have the decency to apologize.

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by Youchka

and I hope that SG will have the decency to apologize.

keep hoping

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Youchka

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO APOLOGIZE? IS SG MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO DID MISTAKES AND APOLOGIZED FOR THEM?

If that's what you're hoping for, he already did in his first interview after getting out of jail on Al Mustaqbal. He apologized again on his second interview with Marcel Ghanem after Marcel asked him the question.

His apology was not specifically with regard to Ehden, it was with regard to all the crimes committed by LF during the war.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

If that's what you're hoping for, he already did in his first interview after getting out of jail on Al Mustaqbal. He apologized again on his second interview with Marcel Ghanem after Marcel asked him the question.

His apology was not specifically with regard to Ehden, it was with regard to all the crimes committed by LF during the war.

Why did I have the impression last night that he did not actually apologize and that he is actually bragging about it? Why did the victims families have the impression that he never apologized? Why did he not answer Sleiman Franjieh's call when he first got out of jail.

Again I repeat, it all takes ONE STRAIGHT SINCERE APOLOGY.

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

If that's what you're hoping for, he already did in his first interview after getting out of jail on Al Mustaqbal. He apologized again on his second interview with Marcel Ghanem after Marcel asked him the question.

His apology was not specifically with regard to Ehden, it was with regard to all the crimes committed by LF during the war.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Why don't you seek transparency seeknirvana?

1- He does not recognise killing karami, neither Frangieh, neither chamoun, neither ghaith khoury ........

2- I never heard him apologising, he was saying "in case there was something wrong, I apologise for it", but he really thinks there was nothing wrong

3- He does not care, why would you?

Behavior like yours, might push him to feel free and do what he did to Marc Howayek, because he will find always justifications and people to believe it

[CedarLb]

LF MP, June 14th 2008 النائب حبيب: مؤسف جدا أن يكون البعض يبني سياسته على نشر ألاحقاد وطنية-15/6/2008 (سياسة) صدر عن المكتب الاعلامي للنائب فريد حبيب الآتي:" بالامس كانت محطة ال "OTV " والقيمين عليها يسيرون عكس التاريخ وعكس المنطق . ففي الوقت الذى يحاول اللبنانيون تناسي منطق الحرب والتعالي على الجراح وإعادة اللحمة فيما بينهم . نرى بعض الحاقدين في هذه المحطة التلفزيونية يفتشون على تسجيل إنتصارات وهمية لعلهم يكسبون بعض ما خسروه من شعبيتهم ، ولم يعد مستغربا هذا التصرف كون الرأس المدبر عندهم وحامي حقوق المسيحيين يتحفنا بإستمرار بمنطق القوة والتهديد والوعيد وبمنطق التحدي والتخوين". اضاف:" مؤسف جدا هذا المستوى الذى يتبعونه وهذا دليل إفلاس ، مؤسف جدا أن يكون البعض يبني سياسته على نشر ألاحقاد وعلى حساب كرامات الاخرين وعلى الكذب المستمر". وتابع:" في هذه الذكرى ألاليمة لا يسعني إلا أن أقف بإحترام وإجلال امام أرواح جميع الشهداء الذين سقطوا في هذه الواقعة ألاليمة وعلى رأسهم الوزير طوني فرنجيه الذى كانت تجمعنا معه مسيرة نضال طويلة بدأت منذ أحداث سنة 1958. إن هذه الذكرى أليمة علينا جدا جدا، لكن سلطات الاحتلال والاجهزة الامنية عرفت كيف تستغل ألاوضاع وضربت ضربتها لتعميق الجراح بين المسيحيين، وبفصل منطقة الشمال عن باقي المناطق اللبنانية تحقيقا لاهدافها بالتوصل الى إحتلال المناطق اللبنانية كافة ووضع اليد عليها نهائيا، واليوم لا تزال قوى الشر تعمل على نكء الجراح بين المسيحيين ، بتمويل خارجي وتأبى أن تتعالى على الواقع والمنطق الذى فرضته الحرب البغيضة والتى أصبحت وراءنا، ونعمل جاهدين على نسيانها ولعنها ولعن مسببيها". وختم:" تحية إلى أبناء إهدن الشرفاء والابطال الذين يعرفون تماما من يكن لهم الخير والسعادة والمحبة، وليرحم الرب جميع الشهداء الباقي ذكراهم في قلوبنا". ـ

Look who's talking about "nachr el a7kad" and "karamat"

He was certainly spreading peace and love a week ago:

LF MP, June 6th 2008 وماذا عن مقاعد طرابلس والشوف المسيحية؟ اجاب: "نحن متحالفون مع النائب وليد جنبلاط، ولكن من قال إن الزميل جورج عدوان فاز بأصوات الدروز. المسيحيون في الشوف يفوقون عدد الناخبين الدروز ويستطيعون أن يوصلوا نوابهم الى الندوة البرلمانية. كل هذا الكلام يصب في خانة ذر الرماد في العيون فهاجس العماد ميشال عون الوحيد هو فبركة الكذب وايجاد المشكلات داخل الصف المسيحي وهنا أقول: كفى بطولات "دون كيشوتيية" كفى عقد نقص لأن العماد عون هو خريج دير الصليب ولن نسمح له بقيادة المسيحيين".ـ

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Look who's talking about "nachr el a7kad"

He was certainly spreading peace and love a week ago:

Yes Ehden people know EXACTLY who cares and who doesn't ya Habib ya zbeleh.

[hannaalsayssa]

the new tune those sg people are singing these days
that the syrian killed toni and thank god they did that, since sg was on his way to kill him
and when he reached there he found hom dead.
that the syrians are to blame and although sg wanted to kill him, someone beat them to him.
so they are blamless , but sf in order to keep his popularity and people oppressed uses the excuse of sg

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP, MORE THAN A COUPLE OF THEM TOLD ME THAT YESTERDAY.
also a word for all these id...s who talks about why open old wounds and all the carp they say.
the wounds of that murdered and mesekh sg have not closed to be reopened.
i only hope that god will catch up with that nakerra one day.
IN MOMENTS LIKE THESE, YOU MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO UNDERSTAND THE SYRIAN POINT OF VIEW

[Bachir]

Originally Posted by LeBaNeSeCiTiZeN

the episode was good but , as some people said : its from the past i dont think opening old problems will help us .
we should not open or remind people with problems that hurts our comunity (christians comunity) IF fpm want to open SOME (dossier) from the past i think all our leaders will go to jail its not the problem with geagea only its with ( nabih berri , walid jumblat , samir geagea , amine gemayel , ...... ) who paticipate in the civil war .

it is not about opening old "dossier", the new generation who is following blindly Samir Geagea is suppose to know his history. the new generation dont know about Ehden details or Safra details or Rachid Karami details or Dani Chamoun details...
they are suppose to read very well the past so they can plan their future.