OTV in the political forum.

[G_Gibreel]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

This video is pathetic. What a charade.

Bla, bla, bla! The fascist Christians contribute to the advancement of society. You live in the US, but surely you don’t fit in well. With leaders like Geagea and Zahra you only add to the European and US view that Lebanese Christians are thugs. Honestly, how do you cope living in an enlightened society? Does walking around in a paisley shirt with the buttons done up to your navel, a gold chain, acrylic trousers, and aviator sunglasses give you that same sense of “coolness” you thought it gave you in Lebanon.

It seems to me that the only reason you come to this forum is to try to boost you failing ego. I suppose that deep down (or may be not so deep) knowledge that your group is little more than a welcome mat within M14 requires you to attack the FPM. You know they are superior to you and smashed you on June 7.

At the end of the day the election results don’t matter, it’s who takes the decisions that matter and clearly Geagea and Gemayal don’t. For example, these two began by saying that they don’t accept Berri as speaker. When they were ignored they claimed that they accept him but with conditions. This will soon change to a “yes” vote.

To be brutally honest the LF and Phalagist are nothing in Lebanon and this election proved it. So just get on with your life and stop trying to build yourself up by attacking others.

[Arze]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Have you guys seen the OTV ad comparing Aoun to Lincoln, Einstein, Mother Theresa, JFK ...? LOL!

YouTube -

Thkx for posting it,, I was looking for it everywhere
& we're not claiming,,, its the truth,, and the truth always hurts the losers like you,,,

[dyyyy]

Originally Posted by G_Gibreel

Bla, bla, bla! The fascist Christians contribute to the advancement of society. You live in the US, but surely you don’t fit in well. With leaders like Geagea and Zahra you only add to the European and US view that Lebanese Christians are thugs. Honestly, how do you cope living in an enlightened society? Does walking around in a paisley shirt with the buttons done up to your navel, a gold chain, acrylic trousers, and aviator sunglasses give you that same sense of “coolness” you thought it gave you in Lebanon.

It seems to me that the only reason you come to this forum is to try to boost you failing ego. I suppose that deep down (or may be not so deep) knowledge that your group is little more than a welcome mat within M14 requires you to attack the FPM. You know they are superior to you and smashed you on June 7.

At the end of the day the election results don’t matter, it’s who takes the decisions that matter and clearly Geagea and Gemayal don’t. For example, these two began by saying that they don’t accept Berri as speaker. When they were ignored they claimed that they accept him but with conditions. This will soon change to a “yes” vote.

To be brutally honest the LF and Phalagist are nothing in Lebanon and this election proved it. So just get on with your life and stop trying to build yourself up by attacking others.

man ur right with everything u said, but that's not the point, the subject is about OTV and its objectivity.
YES lebanon would not be the way he is without GMA, but there is no point to put such an ad on OTV!!!

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by G_Gibreel

Bla, bla, bla! The fascist Christians contribute to the advancement of society. You live in the US, but surely you don’t fit in well. With leaders like Geagea and Zahra you only add to the European and US view that Lebanese Christians are thugs. Honestly, how do you cope living in an enlightened society? Does walking around in a paisley shirt with the buttons done up to your navel, a gold chain, acrylic trousers, and aviator sunglasses give you that same sense of “coolness” you thought it gave you in Lebanon.

It seems to me that the only reason you come to this forum is to try to boost you failing ego. I suppose that deep down (or may be not so deep) knowledge that your group is little more than a welcome mat within M14 requires you to attack the FPM. You know they are superior to you and smashed you on June 7.

At the end of the day the election results don’t matter, it’s who takes the decisions that matter and clearly Geagea and Gemayal don’t. For example, these two began by saying that they don’t accept Berri as speaker. When they were ignored they claimed that they accept him but with conditions. This will soon change to a “yes” vote.

To be brutally honest the LF and Phalagist are nothing in Lebanon and this election proved it. So just get on with your life and stop trying to build yourself up by attacking others.

Just because someone may have a contrary opinion to yours or because someone criticises your party or beloved TV station, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are LFers nor would it underscore your sense of self-respect and decency to go after them with low personal attacks and character assassinations attempts. In fact you lost the elections primarily because Independents like myself sent you a loud message that will continue to ring in your ears for years to come. Or did you perhaps think you lost it because of the LF?

[Ignatius]

OTV en fait trop
Why the heck have all C&R MPs from all areas come and talk every day or every week end to present themselves and tehir national and regional policies ? I mean they almost all say the same things. Debates are much less annoying than monologues even when you have the best speakers (Moukheiber) not to talk about the worst ones (what had the guys from Zghorta to say once SF talked ?).
Please OTV, this is not what you have to do to attract ppl who aren't explicitly supporters of FPM. Even I as an FPM supporter for two decades cannot stand such tv shows.
Same goes for Jean Aziz in Al Akhbar : he's avery smart guy, heavy weight culture, etc. I always read his articles and everytime I learn something new... but please, try to talk about something else, something not necessarily related to GMA being the best and GMA being the target of everyon's attacks.
I know that loosing can put us in a constructive trend or a destructive one. I hope we'll be able to turn the page and prepare newt year's elections and also 2013.

[TTT1]

I have been reading this thread since it was opened and didn't write yet. SO ater 7 pages, I will put my comments.
First, I am an OTV viewer since its inception and while I have some cirticism on many points/issues, I think many pots have been too harsh on it.
OTV started from nowhere with way less budget then MTV (yes, budget has a big say in many issues whether people here accepts it or not). I have visited StudioVision and MTV thoroughly and I can tell you that the budget for both entities is just HUGE.
It happened that when OTV opened we were in the middle of a huge political crisis and it can't be just like NewTV during those days. I am sure, as the internal politics become smoother, OTV will move more into a more middle position .
It is true that it had many programs centered around C&R and FPMers but again this was due to the previous point and I am sure as time goes by , things will change.
For the programing, I think many here were too negative. The overall program may not be a top notch but still many programs were quite good (OVrira/3achraba3d el nachra, Maguy Farah, Reflex - quite interesting , a3ich beirut,Ghanne ma3 ghassan,...).
On the OTV news, I want to say that while it is somehow "biased" because it gives a pro FPM point of view, it does it without lying and to be sincere, it had to be like this in the last 2 years.
I don't think by changing this we would have gained much as we all know the bipolarity in Lebanon . I mean LFers/Kataebis/FMers will never watch OTV news even if it is in the middle. Just like I will not watch FTV (I actually deleted it more than 2 years from my menu). SO we have to be more insightful on the reasons.
AND, contrary to 90% of what was written here, I really enjoy JEan Azai Intros at least 7/10 times. We are not a CNN/France 24/.... news channel and this is the flavor we give. It is true though that 3 out 10 JEan Aziz make too much out of it and ONLY in those times he should be milder.
Guys, we have been through very difficult times for 3 full years and you expect OTV to be just like NewTV. No. IT can't. IT is not comparable!
BUT, as things evolve positively, OTV will surely find its place in the middle without alienating its core FPM viewers (By the way, OTV news is way ahead from MTV news from polls. The first is still LBC, then NewTV and OTV are behind close to each other but a bit far from LBC - LBC used to enjoy a huge advance rating 4 years ago , now it lost practically 30% to 50% and then all the rest...). I got those numbers from someone who works at MTV and who is in the media for a long time.
So cheer up , we made lots of inroads but we still have a lot to make too.
It is always like this.
PS: On a commercial side, I think the ads volumes in OTV have also increased and we have more ads there compared even to NEw TV. Surely more compared to NBN and not less than MTV.

[Red Phoenix]

there are few independents in lebanon, let's say 10-15%, but lbc managed to scoop them up after targetting them and succeeding, they mostly voted against us in the elections.

now those independents weren't even on the radar of otv, cuz otv was fishing fish out of its own bucket of partisans and not from the stream. there was no attempt to reach them.

so 70:30 %

becomes

70-15 : 30+15

55 : 45 %

then thx to lbc's reach to clueless independents abroad who believe its subtle lies, they came in and vote against us hence the end result is

51 : 49 %

a miracle really

so ya it's a big deal that otv was in a coma as far as getting a broader, even slim, audience that made a difference.

and no one can criticize otv if it has a low budget, but we can criticize it if regularly keeps us in the dark when elections tallies are not developping to our favor (otv switched to movies or documentaries or music clips at around 11pm on june7, & the day after the ghada eid scandal we were promised a tought rebutal at the evening news but ended up with a vietnam movie), when the news intros cost us independents to switch to other channels (we can have a census here about this), and when when very simple basic low level elements of professionalism are neglected (3 times gma talked to the masses b4 the elections while there was shadow cast on his face, in jbeil we didnt' even see his face and in baabda the camera was shaking which is better than her focus on very few empty chair in achrafieh was)..

lbc and ftv and mtv are no good, but otv is going the wrong way in facing them

many of us were pulling off rabits and elephants out of our hats to get an extra friend or family member to vote for us, but how many extra votes did otv get us ?

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

there are few independents in lebanon, let's say 10-15%, but lbc managed to scoop them up after targetting them and succeeding, they mostly voted against us in the elections.

now those independents weren't even on the radar of otv, cuz otv was fishing fish out of its own bucket of partisans and not from the stream. there was no attempt to reach them.

so 70:30 %

becomes

70-15 : 30+15

55 : 45 %

then thx to lbc's reach to clueless independents abroad who believe its subtle lies, they came in and vote against us hence the end result is

51 : 49 %

a miracle really

so ya it's a big deal that otv was in a coma as far as getting a broader, even slim, audience that made a difference.

and no one can criticize otv if it has a low budget, but we can criticize it if regularly keeps us in the dark when elections tallies are not developping to our favor (otv switched to movies or documentaries or music clips at around 11pm on june7, & the day after the ghada eid scandal we were promised a tought rebutal at the evening news but ended up with a vietnam movie), when the news intros cost us independents to switch to other channels (we can have a census here about this), and when when very simple basic low level elements of professionalism are neglected (3 times gma talked to the masses b4 the elections while there was shadow cast on his face, in jbeil we didnt' even see his face and in baabda the camera was shaking which is better than her focus on very few empty chair in achrafieh was)..

lbc and ftv and mtv are no good, but otv is going the wrong way in facing them

many of us were pulling off rabits and elephants out of our hats to get an extra friend or family member to vote for us, but how many extra votes did otv get us ?

Hi Red,

I would read those numbers within a different perspective.

25% at least of those who voted FPM in 2005 were independents. Or stayed undecided till the last minute. Those are strongly affected by the media game and by political statements occurring a week or two before elections.

Now is OTV doing it's job? This is highly arguable. Whatever you opinion is, FPM lost a lot of its support and OTV had the potential to prevent this, or at least minimize the damage.

This damage was done by loyalist media and propaganda. It was not Samir Geagea doing sob7iyyet from house to house trying to convince people of his political choice. It was constant artillery and carpet bombing being directed against Michel Aoun and FPM for a consecutive four years.

That said, Future TV is not the weapon being used either. Nor was it Mtv.
It was LBC. And LBC, my friend, are some nasty sophisticated brainers that have such a smooth way to communicate and propel an idea.

They do not say it straight. They just smoothly state you the facts in a chosen order within the appropriate presentation, and let you draw your own conclusions.

This has sadly proven to be so efficient.

On the other hand, in plain arabic: OTV bi dallo ktir 3eychina. Okay they're trying their best, new programs, good design and stuff. But seriously, they're always in a state of war! It's an orange copy of al-Manar and it would never attract people.

People! Be creative, learn from them! It's not about saying lies, just use their twisted ways to communicate. Being harsh - even if you're saying the truth - never attracts voters, it just makes them run away and jump in the warm bosom of LBC.

Upgrade to Terminator 3.0 !

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by LiNk

Hi Red,

I would read those numbers within a different perspective.

25% at least of those who voted FPM in 2005 were independents. Or stayed undecided till the last minute. Those are strongly affected by the media game and by political statements occurring a week or two before elections.

Now is OTV doing it's job? This is highly arguable. Whatever you opinion is, FPM lost a lot of its support and OTV had the potential to prevent this, or at least minimize the damage.

This damage was done by loyalist media and propaganda. It was not Samir Geagea doing sob7iyyet from house to house trying to convince people of his political choice. It was constant artillery and carpet bombing being directed against Michel Aoun and FPM for a consecutive four years.

That said, Future TV is not the weapon being used either. Nor was it Mtv.
It was LBC. And LBC, my friend, are some nasty sophisticated brainers that have such a smooth way to communicate and propel an idea.

They do not say it straight. They just smoothly state you the facts in a chosen order within the appropriate presentation, and let you draw your own conclusions.

This has sadly proven to be so efficient.

On the other hand, in plain arabic: OTV bi dallo ktir 3eychina. Okay they're trying their best, new programs, good design and stuff. But seriously, they're always in a state of war! It's an orange copy of al-Manar and it would never attract people.

People! Be creative, learn from them! It's not about saying lies, just use their twisted ways to communicate. Being harsh - even if you're saying the truth - never attracts voters, it just makes them run away and jump in the warm bosom of LBC.

Upgrade to Terminator 3.0 !

amen to that brother, but if only anyone listens hehe

[Lebanesegirl]

One problem that we can't change and it's the name of the channel Orange TV! I personally love the name and I find it nice BUT Orange = FPM even if we stop being biased still the neutrals won't watch the channel because at the end they are watching Orange TV! Not like LBC from the name u conclude it's in the middle and for all the lebanese.

Again me as an FPMer I like the name but OTV doesn't need me, they should work on the neutrals!