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Default Sufism: what is it and what are the key teachings? - 5th October 2006

In my unending quest for information about religions, I find Sufism particularly seducing. I was wondering if anyone here practices it or know about it and can share some information about it. Then answer some more acute questions.

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In my unending quest for information about religions, I find Sufism particularly seducing. I was wondering if anyone here practices it or know about it and can share some information about it. Then answer some more acute questions.

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sensei,

my knowledge on sufism is very limited and quite holed up (mbakhwash), forgive my inaccurasies, biases, generalizations and prejeduces but who cares: it's just more nuances right,


sufi's or sufism is considered a branch of islam. however in some fundamentalist circles theyre regarded very negatively and more like blasphamours than practicing muslims.

i think theyre mystical in their approach to God and religion. From my experience with one sufi who i had the pleasure of meditating with, he seemed to be highly openminded, open to other religions, other thoughts, dogmas interpretations, nothing seemed solid for him. it all just flowed and he trusted the flow (and this is my assumption) even if he didnt understand it. he believed in God, the existence of God but not in the tangible way portrayed by my experience living in a predominantly sunnite country in the middleeast. He has indian, tanzanian and yemeni roots. which beckons the question of travelling or seafaring and trade back in the day. (which corroborated the relationship between sufism, india and the arab world.

I think sufism is a result of the expression and interaction between the indian and arab traders, seafarers and travellers in the day. Its sort of a fusion between hindu mystiscm, buddhist meditation and code and under the Koranic umbrella. Perhaps the latter was a prerequisite for their practise i do not know.

A few years earlier my mothers cousin in paris gifted me in christmas a buddhabar compilation (II) and there was track by Deepak Chopra and Demi Moore called desire. the words were infuriatingly seductive. it spoke of love, desire, sacrifice, killing the ego and melting into the other; at first i thought it was a passion, The passion between a man and a wome, between two lovers (and it could be) but it called intrigued me to the point where i got googling on it, and the name Rumi kept popping up.

after investigating further, i found more poetry for rumi, this mysterious man of iran and turkey in the 1300's. his poetry was saturated with the theme of love and melting the ego in this love but it wasnt necc the love of a man or woman, but a more universal love, that of God, thus of all God's children and manifestations. (you would understand further why i pursued this more )

turns out Rumi, is the heart and father of Sufi'sm. In fact the sufi school of thought centered in turkey is found after him. the rest of what i know is limited to Google, Wikipedia and his writings infatuated by God, the Love of God, and the Transcendance of ego, life, pain by awakening to this love.

but i will come accross my sufi friend again when the time is right, and i'll pick his brain (for you ;) LoL) further (see how brab7ak jmeeleh :D) lol

all in all it has the right amount of selflessness, mystery, sensuality Sprituality and non-ego to keep me hooked for a while

and ill end by quoting my sufi friend telling me of a story his experience with a sufi master: the master looked at the young student, brushed his finger on the floor and raised it saying: "you see this spec of dust, it is nothing, and you are like this spec of dust: Nothing"

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Dommagio. I was hoping more could take the time to share with me some info. Anyone heard of Rabi'a al-'Adawiyya? Any info?

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This site has all info about Suffism,,

http://www.sunna.info/books/sufi.php

& this site has all info Abour Rabi'a Al-'Adawiyya or Rabi'a Al Basra as they used to call her, including Biography & poetry

http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/A/AlAdawiyyaRa/
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This site has all info about Suffism,,

http://www.sunna.info/books/sufi.php

& this site has all info Abour Rabi'a Al-'Adawiyya or Rabi'a Al Basra as they used to call her, including Biography & poetry

http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/A/AlAdawiyyaRa/

O my Lord,
the stars glitter
and the eyes of men are closed.
Kings have locked their doors
and each lover is alone with his love.

Here, I am alone with you.


thanks, i didnt know her! Bullet, what do you know (or have gathered so far)?

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Bullet, what do you know (or have gathered so far)?
She was a slave.
She lived in a Brothel.
She was beautiful.
She was in love with her Creator.

I need much more.
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turns out Rumi, is the heart and father of Sufi'sm. In fact the sufi school of thought centered in turkey is found after him. the rest of what i know is limited to Google, Wikipedia and his writings infatuated by God, the Love of God, and the Transcendance of ego, life, pain by awakening to this love.
I have Rumi's book: The Essential - Rumi...

Here are some poems from Mr. Sufism drawn randomly

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Why Wine is Forbidden


When the Prophet's ray of intelligence
struck the dim-witted man he was with,
the man got very happy, and talkative

Soon, he began unmannerly raving.
This is the problem with a selflessness
that comes quickly,
as with wine.

If the wine drinker
has a deep gentleness in him,
he will show that,
when drunk.

But if he has hidden anger and arrogance,
those appear,
and since most people do,
wine is forbidden to everyone.
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She was a slave.
She lived in a Brothel.
She was beautiful.
She was in love with her Creator.

I need much more.
he is the slave of his conditionings.
he lives in the brothel of selfpity and despair
yet he is his unique beautiful self
in his potential stemming from the belief in tomorrow
and his love for his Creator, for Truth.

Yalla, what are you waiting for

Dry, share with us some poems from your book. Yalla

p.S: i beleif the one who has deep gentleness in him deserves the wine :D
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One day two holy men came to visit Rabi'a, hoping to get something to eat; they were sure that whatever food she gave them would be ritually pure since it was "obtained in a lawful manner."
After they had seated themselves, a cloth containing two loaves of bread was laid before them. Eagerly they reached for the food—and then a beggar appeared at the door. Rabi'a immediately gave him both loaves of bread.
This really bothered the two holy men, but they kept it to themselves.
Pretty soon a slave-girl arrived, carrying a load of freshly-baked bread. "My mistress sent this."
Rabi'a counted the loves. "I don't think so," she said. "There are only eighteen here." Protests, denials—whatever the girl said, Rabi'a would not believe her.
(What'd happened was that the slave-girl had taken two loaves for herself.) So she went away and came back with the full twenty loaves. Rabi'a counted them again: "That's more like it."
So Rabi'a served the hungry holy men with the twenty loaves instead of two. They were really baffled. "Two loaves, no loaves, twenty loaves of bread—how could that be enough for two holy men? Then I remembered the Promise: 'You give one; I give ten.' So I gave two to the beggar—
"But when only eighteen came back, I knew that there was either something wrong with my prayer, or that somebody had sticky fingers."
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"O Allah! If I worship You for fear of Hell, burn me in Hell,
and if I worship You in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your Own sake,
grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.”
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