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In my opinion whoever is handicap deserves it, in a good or bad way.
After all it's God's will... that's why he's like that. right?

So there must be a reason for him to be like that even a punishment or a reward...

Therefore, and in both cases you can't be sorry for him, being sorry for him is against God's will, it's like objecting his decision.
LFPM, You are a true believer and I congratulate you for your deep faith.. very few people have this modesty towards God and His Will..
You are a real saint
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In my opinion whoever is handicap deserves it, in a good or bad way.
After all it's God's will... that's why he's like that. right?

So there must be a reason for him to be like that even a punishment or a reward...

Therefore, and in both cases you can't be sorry for him, being sorry for him is against God's will, it's like objecting his decision.
Sometimes I really congratulate myself of being an Atheist...
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In my opinion whoever is handicap deserves it, in a good or bad way.
After all it's God's will... that's why he's like that. right?

So there must be a reason for him to be like that even a punishment or a reward...

Therefore, and in both cases you can't be sorry for him, being sorry for him is against God's will, it's like objecting his decision.

What i dont like is the words deserves punishments... some people really dont deserve to have pain ... but yes it will be God's will because I agree with you that everything happens in our life, happens for a reason.... As you said, those things can be good or bad, the important thing is to read the message behind it and dont get stuck in it.
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What i dont like is the words deserves punishments... some people really dont deserve to have pain ... but yes it will be God's will because I agree with you that everything happens in our life, happens for a reason.... As you said, those things can be good or bad, the important thing is to read the message behind it and dont get stuck in it.
I don't agree.
All the people who are suffering deserve what they're in, and it's not up to us to say if they deserve or not, for the simple reason that we would not know.
How would you know what did this person do before he/she ended up here where/like he/she is ?
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I don't agree.
All the people who are suffering deserve what they're in, and it's not up to us to say if they deserve or not, for the simple reason that we would not know.
How would you know what did this person do before he/she ended up here where/like he/she is ?
In a previous life you mean?
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I don't agree.
All the people who are suffering deserve what they're in, and it's not up to us to say if they deserve or not, for the simple reason that we would not know.
How would you know what did this person do before he/she ended up here where/like he/she is ?
Incredible...

Ever heard of children born with disabilities???
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In a previous life you mean?
If you wanna call it like this.. yes..

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Incredible...

Ever heard of children born with disabilities???
Yes of course, and your point ? ...
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God forbids, someone looses his leg due to an accident. How is he supposed to deal with it ? I know that there are three stages: denial, refusal and then at the end acceptance. Anyone with an experience here or knows someone with a similar experience??

On the other hand, how do you look or perceive a person with a permanent disability ?

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first question : i have no experience as i did not have to face such case . but i can try to imagine how painful and difficult the first periode can be . (psychological trauma , depression....) the family and friends are extremely needed during this periode as well as a psychologycal and specialised medical help .

second question : i will look at a disabled person as i do to any other person , i dont see why i should look or perceive them differently . i think with proper help , reeducation, and good will they are capable to be active and productive in their society in the case you mentioned (loosing legs) the person still have his/her hands , eyes, voice ... brain so they can very well integrate social and active life . on another side i will want to see our society cooperating more and our government more concerned in this issue to help those with disability find good care (specialised institutes and job opportunities)

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In my opinion whoever is handicap deserves it, in a good or bad way.
After all it's God's will... that's why he's like that. right?

So there must be a reason for him to be like that even a punishment or a reward...

Therefore, and in both cases you can't be sorry for him, being sorry for him is against God's will, it's like objecting his decision.
i believe God is all love , forgiveness and mercy , so based on that i cant imagine that the handicap is a punishement . it is God's will ? i believe God has for each and every person a plan but not a punishment .

Beethoven: Composer: Was deaf when he composed his 9th symphony.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt led the United States during both the Great Depression and World War II. Paralyzed from the waist down after suffering a bout of polio, Roosevelt overcame his disability and was elected president of the United States an unprecedented four times.

Itzhak Perlman He is one of the most distinguished violinists of the late 20th century. Perlman contracted polio at the age of four. he uses a wheelchair or walks with the aid of crutches on his arms and plays the violin while seated.

Tom Whittaker: Whittaker's right foot needed to be amputated following a car accident in 1979. Following this serious accident, he regained his strength and continued climbing. On May 27, 1998, on his third attempt, Whittaker reached the summit of Mt. Everest, a lifelong dream, making him the first person with a disability to accomplish this feat.

Frida Kahlo was crippled by polio and later in a bus accident that injured her spine. While recuperating, she began to paint images seen through her pain .


in old times they use to believe that a handicap was the result of sins , if a baby is born disabled they use to say he is the result of his parents sins (malediction), today we all know that this is not true there is scientific/medical explanation or accidental reasons behind the handicap . is it God will ? maybe , but i will not call it is God's punichment .
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In my opinion whoever is handicap deserves it, in a good or bad way.
After all it's God's will... that's why he's like that. right?

So there must be a reason for him to be like that even a punishment or a reward...

Therefore, and in both cases you can't be sorry for him, being sorry for him is against God's will, it's like objecting his decision.
God doesn't punish but forgive and in my opinion if God punishes people how come criminals and manslaughter are not punished but still alive and kicking. and living happily ever after....what crime did babies do to be born handicaped ...i think its people's destiny not God's punishment as some who had accident got paralyzed never did anything to harm a fly ...anyway i guess i went off topic and i believe these people need lots of encouragement not critics and i am sure God gives them power to accept the idea and live it to its best
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If you wanna call it like this.. yes..



Yes of course, and your point ? ...
Now do you have a spiritual point of view or not?

According to some views, people can chose their own path they would like to go through in life, (?learning path) thus everything has a reason why it happened so.
But this can be just all BS, who can tell that.

In most of the cases I noticed people are rather helpful and understanding toward people with disability....from a distance...am not sure how deep this help can go on a personal level.
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