Are you with Abortion?

[lebgirl]

Originally Posted by Biohazard

I didnt understand?? is that ur best argument? ok lets take a small look..
u said i'm agains female making the choise she wants yet in my post i showed the contrary + i gave an alternative way to abortion;)

sometimes this alternative way do not work, in some cases it is too late to apply it.

Originally Posted by Biohazard

u were talking about mistakes and how it's not just the falt of the girl.. once again if u reread my post u will see i accused both if something i was more on the female side not the contrary..;)

plz do show me where you said this in ur post, because u didnt say it, maybe it is in ur heard.

Originally Posted by Biohazard

u replied to my post talking in the way of science.. i was clear i think when i talked about the issue in the none scientifical way when i said christianity as in in the eye of religion..;)

good and i was clear in my reply and replied to the issue in a scientific way.

Originally Posted by Biohazard

u r pro-choice? am totally with that ur even showing that right now by making a free choise to reply on a post that u didnt even read good cause if u did u would see that in depth ur reply was like another version to my post..
finally no i am not just posting to post :P the question should be r u just replying to reply? ;)

once again ur assuming something (whether i read ur post or not);) no coments..

[Biohazard]

Lebgirl i dont think u got me yet when i say read i mean read 1st line read 2nd line and read that "invisible" one between them :) and plz no smarty pant reply ok i was very clear on what i posted if u didnt get it well too bad..
again am not assuming if u red the post or not i am asssssssuuuuuuming if u understood it or not :)

[Comrade Bassam]

Biohazard:
Personal remarks are not allowed (Forum rules).

Please the topic is an educational one so plz let's all keep high standards in addressing each other.


LONG LIVE FREE LEBANON
COMRADE BASSAM

[Biohazard]

I apologise if i have in any way offended "Lebgirl" in my last couple inputs..
ou hayde bawse 3a jbina kamena *mwah* (i hope u dont mind that is :P)

[arabliban]

i am with the women choice but against abortion, the girl choice start by abstinence , not by having sex than deciding opps i do not want the fetus , and killing it.
we have to rememer the basics, unless we want to come up woth new rules! 101 religeon , any religeon, sex outside a marriage relation is forbidden, o if we apply this rue a lot of cases were abortion is needed is eliminated automatically.

[aiisha]

Originally Posted by lebgirl

what is the difference??? the difference is that the first 2 month its still a foetus, an undeveloped baby so it is not a baby yet, in other words not a being yet..after this it becomes a baby and it will be a being so than it would be killing it, but before the 2 month it is not yet seen as killing a baby... thats the difference Comrade.

Lebgirl- a fetus is defined as "a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth " (m-w.com). SO, a fetus is actually the baby. You cannot define when a baby is a "person". There has been much debate on that exact issue, and in the end it is relative to the person and their comfort level.

I agree that if a woman is raped she should have the option, and it is usually safer to do it within the first 2 months. I don't agree that socioeconomics should play into it. We aren't talking about adopting a pet here. People should be responsible from the start, but for people to be responsible they should be educated, and unfortunately sex-education wouldn't be embraced in Lebanon even though it is needed. Easier access to contraceptives would also help, but it seems to be somewhat taboo in Lebanon in some places. This worries me alot actually. We don;t have a high rate of sexually transmitted diseases in Lebanon, but we will get there if we aren't careful...lol...i'm intereseted in being a doctor..can u tell;)...sorry if i went into a lecture there...can't help it:)

[lebgirl]

Originally Posted by aiisha

Lebgirl- a fetus is defined as "a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth " (m-w.com). SO, a fetus is actually the baby. You cannot define when a baby is a "person". There has been much debate on that exact issue, and in the end it is relative to the person and their comfort level. :)

exactly there has been much debate based on religion and on science...what i stated was my belief.

Originally Posted by aiisha

I agree that if a woman is raped she should have the option, and it is usually safer to do it within the first 2 months. I don't agree that socioeconomics should play into it. We aren't talking about adopting a pet here. People should be responsible from the start, but for people to be responsible they should be educated, and unfortunately sex-education wouldn't be embraced in Lebanon even though it is needed. Easier access to contraceptives would also help, but it seems to be somewhat taboo in Lebanon in some places. This worries me alot actually. We don;t have a high rate of sexually transmitted diseases in Lebanon, but we will get there if we aren't careful...lol...i'm intereseted in being a doctor..can u tell;)...sorry if i went into a lecture there...can't help it:)

They might not educate people enough about sex educaion in Lebanon because as you said it seems taboo..however in other countries such as the USA, let me tell you that this is a very open subject that everyone talk about publicly and openly.. people get educated on this and learn ways to prevent pregnancies such as birth control, pills, etc.... an i agree that defenetely young women should be careful..however I remain pro choice and i really strongly believe that a woman should control her body based on whatever she believes is best for her and her life because as you said, "we arent talking about adopting a pet here"...

[confirm password]

Originally Posted by aiisha

Lebgirl- a fetus is defined as "a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth " (m-w.com). SO, a fetus is actually the baby. You cannot define when a baby is a "person". There has been much debate on that exact issue, and in the end it is relative to the person and their comfort level.

I agree that if a woman is raped she should have the option, and it is usually safer to do it within the first 2 months. I don't agree that socioeconomics should play into it. We aren't talking about adopting a pet here. People should be responsible from the start, but for people to be responsible they should be educated, and unfortunately sex-education wouldn't be embraced in Lebanon even though it is needed. Easier access to contraceptives would also help, but it seems to be somewhat taboo in Lebanon in some places. This worries me alot actually. We don;t have a high rate of sexually transmitted diseases in Lebanon, but we will get there if we aren't careful...lol...i'm intereseted in being a doctor..can u tell;)...sorry if i went into a lecture there...can't help it:)

You're right about contraceptives and sex education, there are a lot of misinformed people (particularly teenagers) out there.

One of the things that irritates me is the myth that pulling out is a contraceptive method There is always sperm in pre-ejaculation fluid. I think responsible doctors (particularly gynacologists) should get together and start health clinics where people, particularly girls, wouldn't fear going for help regardign STDs and contraception. Unfortunately people in Lebanon believe in the "If I don't see it or hear it, then it doesn't exist" mentally.

[confirm password]

Originally Posted by lebgirl

.however in other countries such as the USA, let me tell you that this is a very open subject that everyone talk about publicly and openly.. people get educated on this and learn ways to prevent pregnancies such as birth control, pills, etc....

Unfortunately that's not entirely true. There are way too many teenage pregnancies in the US even though their society is supposedly open.. you're forgetting the "Bible Belt" in the South where Creationism is seriously taught in science classes and Evolution is the tool of Satan =/ I think Sex Ed there is out of the question. There is some kind of sex education in public schools, but their education system over there is severely deteriorating.

[lebgirl]

Originally Posted by confirm password

Unfortunately that's not entirely true. There are way too many teenage pregnancies in the US even though their society is supposedly open.. you're forgetting the "Bible Belt" in the South where Creationism is seriously taught in science classes and Evolution is the tool of Satan =/ I think Sex Ed there is out of the question. There is some kind of sex education in public schools, but their education system over there is severely deteriorating.

this is only a minority, I myself am not sure about what you talked about, but I am talking generally in the USA it is like this. true there is too many teenage pregnancies, but also contraceptions and emergency pills that are helping to prevent it. But what I was stating, in the US people have a whole different perspective on all of this.. you see in the US the majority of teenages view having sexual relations before marriage as something very normal and part of nature, unlike in Lebanon and other more conservative countries. However you cant deny the fact that Americans are better exposed to all safety procedures more than any other country or else....all the teenagers would be pregnant..really...