Are you with Abortion?

[lebgirl]

PhoenixResurrection I'm with you on everything you said!!! great thoughts and answer :)

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I'm pro Choice as well. and as PhoenixResurrection said, the right to abortion is a women's right since it is first and foremost her body!

[†True lebnene]

I'm against abortion.God gives lives and God takes them

[Superman]

God gives lives and God takes them

Tislam, great thing u wrote.

[LebanesePride]

Originally Posted by PhoenixResurrection

It is not a child you are going to kill. It is a fetus that totally dependent on the body of the woman for its life support.

A born child stays dependant on outside and others help for many years. That does not make it right to kill it (im not implying you ment that, im just replying point by point)

well indeed some do that. In freedom of choice countries, if the parents disagree it is the woman’s view that prevails because she physically bears the child and is more directly affected by the pregnancy.

It remains a personal choice with the huge responsibility it encloses. The pg woman has to assume the whole responsibility of this pregnancy with all it consequences.
Naturally there will always be an infinitesimal number of women that are immature. But as awful as this could seem, we still cannot force them to keep an unwanted child. There can always seek an illegal abortion.

Yes its a woman's burden to carry the child for 9 monthes, but its that child's whole life thats at stake.

Given fact: Laws have never stopped abortion, but only relegated it to back-alley butchers. Ironically, countries with restrictive abortion laws have a significant number of illegal abortions. 40% of abortions performed annually worldwide are illegal and unsafe (keeping in mind that the UN institutes and NGOs couldn’t keep track of all illegal ones!)

Laws have not stopped murder nor theft either.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but I hope you and the 35.71% will change your mind for the sake of women's! I firmly believe that Access to Abortion is a matter of responsibility, CHoice and Right. It is also an effective deterrent to illegal and unsafe back-alley abortions

Between the right of choice of the mother, and the right of LIFE of the baby, i chose life.
He is unable to communicate his choice, nor is he able to form one.
Nor is a born baby. Laws must protect it.

Abortion should only be allowed in case a mother is in danger, health dangers because of the pregnancy.

All matters concerning her right to chose in general, her financial well-being, how much she wants it, seem rather small in comparison with taking away life.


The whole debate i believes shrinks to how and when you consider life to have begun, as you mentioned.
I am not religious but
I believe that as a fetus, the process of development has started. And it doesnt stop. A born baby is not fully developped either, neither are we....

[PhoenixResurrection]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

A born child stays dependant on outside and others help for many years. That does not make it right to kill it (im not implying you ment that, im just replying point by point)

a born child is not dependent on the Body of the woman for life support whereas a fetus is physically attached to the woman by the placenta and umbilicus. This was my counter argument to those that believe in the distinct human being characteristic of a fetus..

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Yes its a woman's burden to carry the child for 9 monthes, but its that child's whole life thats at stake.

well it is not a burden per say.. God wanted women to give childbirth maybe cz a man won't survive this ordeal and because he trusted feminine instinct.
child's whole life? 1st it is a fetus, 2nd The bare point is women control their bodies and their pregnancies! and I've got news for you, you can't stop them for doing the right or wrong choice! You should just trust us in our decisions.

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Laws have not stopped murder nor theft either.

Irrelevant comparaison... Abortion is NO Murder..Even you as a pro-life don't believe that abortion is a murder because you sanction abortion if the mother's life is in danger.
Anti I/Anti S said outlawing WILL reduce the #. statistics prove that 40% of performed abortions were illegal... thus my argument that outlawing it is not a deterrent...

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Between the right of choice of the mother, and the right of LIFE of the baby, i chose life.
Nor is a born baby. Laws must protect it.

for a worst case scenario if the woman is a junky that has zero motherhood instincts, willingly didn't use "morning after pills" and she wants to get rid of the pregnancy. How and why on earth would you stop her? put her on surveillance for 9 months? then sterilize her?!

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Abortion should only be allowed in case a mother is in danger, health dangers because of the pregnancy.

Why the exception? God gives life and god takes them.. let the divine decide.. either the mother survives. or the fetus only orby miracle both...!
and what about rape and incest victims? should we victimize these women one more time? isn't it enough?
we don't need the permission for anyone to tell us what to do with our bodies knowing that we are responsible and intelligent enough to take the good decision. Legal abortion would allow this operation to be performed in hospitals under the care of qualified personel.

All matters concerning her right to chose in general, her financial well-being, how much she wants it, seem rather small in comparison with taking away life..

It is not for financial well-being nor a capricious decision, it is for reasons that are beyond you and me and far from being irrational.. Abortion is a very painful operation not a visit to the mall. It is not the easiest solution but the necessary one.

The whole debate i believes shrinks to how and when you consider life to have begun, as you mentioned.

Yes and to woman's right to control her body

I believe that as a fetus, the process of development has started. And it doesnt stop. A born baby is not fully developped either, neither are we....

yes nobody is fully developed and we as human are far from being the most developped creators on earth!

[Biohazard]

I'm against STUPIDITY.. why am i saying that well u'd have to be prety **** stupid to have a kid in what u know is not the right time...ma fi 1 single reason for abortion illa stupidity... if ur gona say ok what if a girl was raped and got pregnant cause of that well i say there is something called pillule d'urgence... as for all the other senarios there is ways of protection USE THEM!!!!!!
finally i just want to tell "lebgirl" that in christianity we belive life is created the moment the spermatozoide enters the ovule and not as ur saying 2 month thats just something u tell urself to make u feel better about what u want to do nothing more :)

[lebgirl]

Originally Posted by Biohazard

I'm against STUPIDITY.. why am i saying that well u'd have to be prety **** stupid to have a kid in what u know is not the right time...ma fi 1 single reason for abortion illa stupidity... if ur gona say ok what if a girl was raped and got pregnant cause of that well i say there is something called pillule d'urgence... as for all the other senarios there is ways of protection USE THEM!!!!!!
finally i just want to tell "lebgirl" that in christianity we belive life is created the moment the spermatozoide enters the ovule and not as ur saying 2 month thats just something u tell urself to make u feel better about what u want to do nothing more :)

I said what I think and I will not repeat it because i was clear enough. However just one thing, it seems in this case you do not support women's right to choose what is best for her and her life. One more thing...Human do mistakes (like Adam and Eve, Adam picked the apple didnt he??) but we human were still forgiven. so same goes for women, they do mistakes but let me tell you that it is not just the women's fault, it is the men as well, but since the women is the one who gets pregnant , the man usually walks away and leave her the burden (in a lot of cases)
anyways what i said about the foetus who's not developed is very true (this is according to science) so plz spare me with the "me telling myself this to feel better" It is such a cliche that people use in order to defend their claims.
I am pro-choice that's all I have to add to this.

[Biohazard]

lebgirl chill... take a moment breath in.. breath out.. and reread my reply.. coz from ur reply i am 100% sure u didnt read it or mabe u read it but u didnt REAAAAAD it..

[lebgirl]

Originally Posted by Biohazard

lebgirl chill... take a moment breath in.. breath out.. and reread my reply.. coz from ur reply i am 100% sure u didnt read it or mabe u read it but u didnt REAAAAAD it..

do you have a point to make biohazard?? or you're just posting to post :P it seems you're the one who did not understand my reply, so i advise you to reread it and understand the point.

[Biohazard]

I didnt understand?? is that ur best argument? ok lets take a small look..
u said i'm agains female making the choise she wants yet in my post i showed the contrary + i gave an alternative way to abortion
u were talking about mistakes and how it's not just the falt of the girl.. once again if u reread my post u will see i accused both if something i was more on the female side not the contrary..
u replied to my post talking in the way of science.. i was clear i think when i talked about the issue in the none scientifical way when i said christianity as in in the eye of religion..
u r pro-choice? am totally with that ur even showing that right now by making a free choise to reply on a post that u didnt even read good cause if u did u would see that in depth ur reply was like another version to my post..

finally no i am not just posting to post :P the question should be r u just replying to reply? ;)