Are you with Abortion?

[dyyyy]

Originally Posted by Armenian

To everyone saying that they are totally against abortion:

- Have you ever thought that one day your daughter might be raped ( God Forbid) and becomes pregnant to some stranger?

- Have you ever thought that protected sex prevents a person from being born?

- Have you ever thought that one day your wife or you might die ( God Forbid) for a child to be born?

I personally think that you can never generalize this question's answer by Yes and No...

I am against it when it is just because they don't want to take care of the baby...

But with it for a lot of cases. e.g rape, mother's life in danger etc etc...

Thank you!!

from my part as someone against abortion, you're missing the point, you can't discuss how practical it is.

the main question is, when is your right to decide if the baby can die or no, to see my point of view, imagine the baby already born and ask the same questions?
when you hear in the news a mother killed her baby or dropped him at the garbage dump, why can't she do this, she might also have been raped, or can't provide the son a decent living. why is this different from abortion?
if it's because you SEE the baby that your decision is very emotional and it's not rational.

of course, i'm in no way to judge a woman who aborted, after all things are much more difficult in reality than in this forum, i know if it happened to my daughter i might be tempted to do it, but it would still be wrong.

[Orion]

Award for Poland abortion woman


A Polish court has awarded $11,000 (7,400 euros) in damages to a woman likened to a child killer by a Catholic magazine for wanting an abortion.

The article also compared abortion to the experiments of Nazi war criminals at Auschwitz.

Alicja Tysiac had been warned by doctors when she became pregnant that she could go blind if she had her baby.

But she was denied an abortion - illegal in most cases in Poland - and her eyesight subsequently deteriorated.

The court in Katowice, southern Poland, ruled that the Catholic magazine, Gosc Niedzielny, had drawn clear parallels between Ms Tysiac's desire to have an abortion and the actions of Nazi war criminals.

The judge said it had shown "contempt, hostility and malice" towards the 38-year-old woman.

The judge said Catholics have the right to express their disapproval of abortion and even call it murder, but they did not have the right to vilify individuals.

Rights ruling

Ms Tysiac's sight problems grew worse following the births of each of her three children.

Acting on medical advice, she decided to have an abortion when she became pregnant for a third time eight years ago but her gynecologist refused to perform the procedure.

Poland has strict abortion regulations but they are allowed when the health of the mother or embryo is threatened.

Two years ago, the European Court of Human Rights ordered Poland to pay Ms Tysiac 25,000 euros ($36,000) in compensation.

The Catholic magazine wrote that she had been compensated for wanting to kill her child.

The magazine's editor-in-chief, Father Marek Gancarczyk, said the ruling was unfair and denied comparing Ms Tysiac to Nazi criminals.

His lawyers said they would use the principle of freedom of speech to appeal against the court's verdict.


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[Dalzi]

Mother's health comes first.

[sebastianhanna]

u know as a guy id liek to tell all the guys, who cares? do guys even carry the babies for 9 months and go through the pain and suffering? NO!
It should be the woman's choice and the mom's life is a priority

[LubnanALkawi]

With abortion 100% if the parents doesn't want the child or the parents are having problems why would bringing a child to this world be any good

in fact his/her life would turn to be like shiit? so yes abortion could save many suffering!!

[abientot]

Bans 'do not cut abortion rate' - BBC

Restricting the availability of legal abortion does not appear to reduce the number of women trying to end unwanted pregnancies, a major report suggests.

The Guttmacher Institute's survey found abortion occurs at roughly equal rates in regions where it is legal and regions where it is highly restricted.

It did note that improved access to contraception had cut the overall abortion rate over the last decade.

But unsafe abortions, primarily illegal, have remained almost static.

The survey of 197 countries carried out by the Guttmacher Institute - a pro-choice reproductive think tank - found there were 41.6m abortions in 2003, compared with 45.5 in 1995 - a drop which occurred despite population increases.

Nineteen countries had liberalised their abortion laws over the ten years studied, compared with tighter restrictions in just three.

But despite the general trend towards liberalisation, some 40% of the world's women live amid tight restrictions.

On some continents this is particularly pronounced: well over 90% of women in South America and Africa live in areas with strict abortion laws, proportions which barely have shifted in a decade.

Researchers also noted that while liberalisation was a key element in improving women's access to safer terminations, it was far from the only factor.

Even in countries where abortion is legal, availability and cost may prove major obstacles. In India for example, where terminations are legally allowed for a variety of reasons, some 6m take place outside the health service.

The costs of unsafe abortions, which can include inserting pouches containing arsenic to back street surgery, can be high: the healthcare bill to deal with conditions from sepsis to organ failure can be four times that what it costs to provide family planning services.

Every year, an estimated 70,000 women die as a result of unsafe abortion - leaving nearly a quarter of a million children without a mother - and 5m develop complications.

In the developed world, legal restrictions did not stop abortion but just meant it was "exported", with Irish women for instance simply travelling to Europe, according to Guttmacher's director, Dr Sharon Camp. In the developing world, it meant lives were put at risk.

"Too many women are maimed or killed each year because they lack legal abortion access," she said.

"The gains we've seen are modest in relation to what we can achieve. Investing in family planning is essential - far too many women lack access to contraception, putting them at risk."

Double Dutch

Western Europe is held up as an example of what access to contraceptive services can achieve, and the Netherlands - with just 10 abortions per 1,000 women compared to the world's 29 per 1,000 - is held up as the gold standard.

Here, young people report using two forms of contraception as standard.

Even the UK, which has a relatively high rate, fares well in comparison to the US, where the number of abortions is among the highest in the developed world. The institute says this rate is in part explained by inconsistencies in insurance coverage of contraceptive supplies.

In much of eastern Europe, where abortion was treated as a form of birth control, abortion rates have dropped by 50% in the last decade as contraceptives have become more widely available.

And globally, the number of married women of childbearing age with access to contraception has increased from 54% in 1990 to 63% in 2003, with gains also seen among single, sexually active women.

But there were still significant unmet contraception needs, and a lack of interest among pharmaceutical companies in developing new forms of birth control that provide top protection on demand, the institute said.

Josephine Quintavalle of the pro-life Comment on Reproductive Ethics said stopping women falling pregnant in the first place was an area where minds could meet.

"Abortion - back street or front street - is not the answer. Ensuring women have the means to end their pregnancies is not liberating them - they should be able to make real choices before they fall pregnant in the first place," she said.

"But that shouldn't necessarily mean taking pills everyday. There will always be problems with access and cost, particularly in countries where people struggle just to buy food.

"What we need is to better understand our fertility - if there are just 24 fertile hours in a month, we need to work out a cheap, effective way for women to know when they can fall pregnant. That would be freedom, and that's what we should aim for."

24 hours a month and people still cant control themselves!