Are you with Abortion?

[Salome]

Originally Posted by chafic

The fetus is distinct organism feeding from the female's body for an interim period, not part of the body. Whether in or out of the body is of little relevance here.

This has been debated long in this thread, "this distinct organism" is not even recognized by the state as a human being, therefore the decision above it shall concern the parents only.

I hope you realized in my post the terms "cells" and "due time". Few cells are not a human being, even if we have the whole universe in a grain of sand. I said it earlier, there shall be a time limit before abortion shall be allowed.

[Xena]

ok no disrespect to anyone in here but i was listening to a george carlin show just now and he said something wickedly funny and it's not off topic here

"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f*** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature"

[Jorje]

"this distinct organism" is not even recognized by the state as a human being, therefore the decision above it shall concern the parents only.

But that's circular logic. What the state considers a "human being" is not the final answer on this issue, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think the best definition on what could be considered as a distinct organism is the organism that can sustain life without necessarily being bound to the mother. At some point, the fetus can survive on its own. I think that's how the US Supreme Court defined what a human being is.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Xena

ok no disrespect to anyone in here but i was listening to a george carlin show just now and he said something wickedly funny and it's not off topic here

"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f*** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature"

That's true, they're not w*****, so you can't f*** with them and get away with it. And of course "birds of the same feather flock together". Those against abortion wouldn't want to be with men who view them the way Carlin sees those he likes to f*** and discard, tossed from Tom, to Dick, to Harry . It's insulting to such kind, as cheap as broccoli. Very logical statement in every sense of the word.

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Salome

This has been debated long in this thread, "this distinct organism" is not even recognized by the state as a human being, therefore the decision above it shall concern the parents only.

I hope you realized in my post the terms "cells" and "due time". Few cells are not a human being, even if we have the whole universe in a grain of sand. I said it earlier, there shall be a time limit before abortion shall be allowed.

Salome, I will address your points from biological stand. "few cells" produced from a fertilized egg have all the genetic codes that makes a unique human being. It is the biological development that will make such few cells reproduced and have self-sustainbility, out of womb stage. so, genetically these few cells are units of the created organism.
Salome, organsim and cell are not the same for multicellaur species like human, from biological view point. also, when fertilization occurs it accomplishes two things: 1- combines genetic materials from both parents; 2-activates egg metabolism to develop, thus creating new organsim. So from bioethic the fetus is a the property of both, where no one side should have overruling say on the fate of it.
something to noted here is that the poster baby for abortion, Jane Roe, had shifted side of the debate and became prolife supporter!! more later. take care.

[Xena]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

That's true, they're not w*****, so you can't f*** with them and get away with it. And of course "birds of the same feather flock together". Those against abortion wouldn't want to be with men who view them the way Carlin sees those he likes to f*** and discard, tossed from Tom, to Dick, to Harry . It's insulting to such kind, as cheap as broccoli. Very logical statement in every sense of the word.

you needn't be offended, it's just a joke.

(and yes you were offended because a defensive post like this one only means one thing... that my post offended you!...)

and please "why so serious".. lighten up a little bit!

[faithful]

Originally Posted by MissLaymoune

That's really touching , it would fit and ending for a movie ! there;s another level of existence that is real Faithful ! having a child is not a gamble ! yalla menjibou he might be happy in a poor family with no job , no money , no home ! You must be READY ! as u said it's a life w if you are not able to give an appropriate condition to this soul don't bring it to this life ! You are not at a casino , " I'll give it a shot " . and its not about freedom its about creating the life he deserves to live ! Hugs and kisses ma bita3mou khebez !

Originally Posted by Xena

ok no disrespect to anyone in here but i was listening to a george carlin show just now and he said something wickedly funny and it's not off topic here

"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f*** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature"

I see you joined the club of sarcasm on the forum ... Alef Mabrouk
Whatever ..... WE the old fashioned members who still live in the middle ages still know at least how to respect other opinions and we stoped acting like babies when we are unable to defend our opinions. ...( the easiest way you use hiye l maskhara ).... It's good for you sometimes to look back to the old era and learn some good behaviors

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Claudia

Most women are against abortions. In Italy, everytime someone makes bout abortion the final result is always the same: most of those who say yes to legal abortions are men. It's not difficult to understand why... It must be "nice" to have a female lover so that when some mistake happens you just put some money on her bag and send her to an abortion hospital.

It's not only nice, it's great! Shed off the baggage! :D I understand men who are pro-choice, it's better if they know what they're doing to avoid what they call "mistakes". Clumsy stupid mistakes i must add.

There are many different sides effects caused by abortions: regrets, headaches, rejections for sexual activity, unable to produce babies, clogging of the fallopian tubes. For some they become sterile and others become lesbians. But all of this happens only to women, never to men. So for (some of) them it is always very easy to be a pro-choice....

Why hurt yourself both physically and emotionaly whereby you'd end up Lesbian like Lindsay Lohan? Be smart, hurt others but not yourself .

Originally Posted by Xena

you needn't be offended, it's just a joke.

(and yes you were offended because a defensive post like this one only means one thing... that my post offended you!...)

Who told you i'm offended? I mean why would i be offended?! I completely agree with Carlin's statement! And I don't consider my post defensive, i was stating my point of view. This is how i see things . Others might have a different point of view, but that's just mine. Fact is, the majority (not all) of pro-choice women change boyfriends like they change shoes. Imagine getting pregnant from each and every one of them!

and please "why so serious".. lighten up a little bit!

Abortion is a serious topic! :D

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Xena

ok no disrespect to anyone in here but i was listening to a george carlin show just now and he said something wickedly funny and it's not off topic here

"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f*** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature"

hehe but it is true most of the times:D Dalzi, no need to be extreme you can be more realistic, you can admit theres a lot of truth in it, even if there are exceptions.
And please, stop insulting the all kinds of vegetables:D

Originally Posted by sarhay

Salome, I will address your points from biological stand. "few cells" produced from a fertilized egg have all the genetic codes that makes a unique human being. It is the biological development that will make such few cells reproduced and have self-sustainbility, out of womb stage. so, genetically these few cells are units of the created organism.
Salome, organsim and cell are not the same for multicellaur species like human, from biological view point. also, when fertilization occurs it accomplishes two things: 1- combines genetic materials from both parents; 2-activates egg metabolism to develop, thus creating new organsim. So from bioethic the fetus is a the property of both, where no one side should have overruling say on the fate of it.
something to noted here is that the poster baby for abortion, Jane Roe, had shifted side of the debate and became prolife supporter!! more later. take care.

sarhay, obviously I dont have extended knowledge in biology, however I can not consider the few hours/days cells as a human being, abortion shall be allowed in these early stages.

You know we have discussed here many cases/situations where abortion shall be allowed.
But if someone is speaking from a religious point of view, there is no flexibility anymore, they are pro-life no matter what by whatever high price, which I find very hypocrite. We do not need to enhance misery in this world, we shall rather work on providing better quality life for the future generations.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Fact is, the majority (not all) of pro-choice women change boyfriends like they change shoes. Imagine getting pregnant from each and every one of them!

I just noticed this part.

I think teenage girls are getting ever b*tchier today. They start an early sexual life, although they are not obliged to like in the middle ages or in retarded societies.

But dont confuse here the issues of being pro-choice and being b*tchy. Being pro-choice will not make one b*tchy. Rather the other way round.