Are you with Abortion?

[Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria]

Well, let's just say that one wrong doesn't make another one right. :) Why not change the Middle Eastern "mentality" or standards instead of ending innocent HUMAN lives?

Fetus has horrible disease? What about it? Would I want to kill a loved one who has "some horrible disease" (acquired later in life, let's say)? Just because someone has a horrible disease doesn't mean he/she/it is material for killing.

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Even if the mother is HIV-positive or was exposed to some teratogen that deformed the baby? Are you really sure it would be better off alive?

[Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria]

It's not up to us to decide the value of human life. If it were, then it would give me the right to decide the value of person A's life and kill him/her accordingly. I mean, I do think that some people have "no right to be alive" (we all know who those people are ), but it doesn't mean I can kill them based simply on that opinion...

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Eh, I still think it's up to the parents to decide. When you have choice, your opinion wouldn't be imposed on anyone although you do have the right (well good moral) reasoning. I'm pro-choice because there are some circumstances that should be taken on a case-by-case basis.

Even when abortions everywhere in the world were illegal and were done in the most awful ways, women still took the risk to die or get some awful infections to get abortions. Surely that has to say something about circumstances.

[Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria]

Well, I already said I allow for exceptions, but they should be exactly that, exceptions rather than the norm, and pro-"choice" does not exactly mean that....

Would you deny that abortions have encouraged irresponsibility, especially in teens? How come we see more women getting abortions now than they used to when it was illegal? Simply because they were illegal? No, not really. If they really wanted to do it, they would've done it regardless (as you said). But many didn't because the door was not open to them and they didn't feel strongly about having an abortion. Now that there is abortion, it's become as normal a thing as divorce. It's become a routine of life. If someone gets pregnant unexpectedly they immediately run to the abortion clinic.

The way many governments have handled this issue is beyond unprofessional and shameful. It's utterly preposterous.

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Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Well, I already said I allow for exceptions, but they should be exactly that, exceptions rather than the norm, and pro-"choice" does not exactly mean that....

Choice means just that. Choice.

Would you deny that abortions have encouraged irresponsibility, especially in teens? How come we see more women getting abortions now than they used to when it was illegal? Simply because they were illegal? No, not really. If they really wanted to do it, they would've done it regardless (as you said). But many didn't because the door was not open to them and they didn't feel strongly about having an abortion. Now that there is abortion, it's become as normal a thing as divorce. It's become a routine of life. If someone gets pregnant unexpectedly they immediately run to the abortion clinic.

Teenagers were always stupid and irresponsible. But the reason why there are more pregnancies everywhere these days is because more and more people are having sex at a younger age, and unprotected sex too. This trend is not related to the fact that abortions became legal. There is huge ignorance when it comes to issues like pregnancy and STDs, and teenagers, being what they are, take risks.

The way many governments have handled this issue is beyond unprofessional and shameful. It's utterly preposterous.

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like paying for thousands of illegitimate babies on welfare out of my own pocket.

The real solution is to educate the people who are at the most risk to get unwanted pregnancies, ie teenagers. If they don't want to be celibate, they should at least not engage in intercourse in an idiotic manner.

[Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria]

Choice means just that. Choice.

Yes, but it shouldn't simply be a matter of "choice". The whole process of reproduction is much more complex and has much more involved in it than simply the "choice to kill a fetus".

Teenagers were always stupid and irresponsible. But the reason why there are more pregnancies everywhere these days is because more and more people are having sex at a younger age, and unprotected sex too.

Actually, that the two go hand in hand does not mean one caused the other. I have talked with many teenagers, and some of their views are very appalling when it comes to reproduction. Yes, teenagers are often irresponsible regardless of abortion laws, but when they know they're going to wind up with a baby to take care of instead of doing all the things that most "normal" teenagers do, many of them will be more careful.

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like paying for thousands of illegitimate babies on welfare out of my own pocket.

Well, do I feel like paying for thousands of disabled people out of my own pocket? So let me go out and kill some.... Oh yes, and do I want to pay for a thousands-of-dollars-surgery to separate conjoined twins when it would save everyone the trouble and the money if they were just "put to death"? I don't think anyone likes paying anything to complete strangers out of their own pocket. But it sure doesn't mean that we have the right to put them to death..

The question is not simply about education, it is also about taking moral responsibility. Choice, you tell me? What choice? The choice to kill? Why give people the choice to kill completely healthy foetuses? I would understand (and I said exceptions should be allowed for) if it's a case of say a terribly deformed baby (such as those from the Gulf War, but then again, the question then becomes, would the deformity appear at such an early stage?) or even rape, but to give every woman the "choice" simply because they're women is not about "equality" or "rights", it's about murder in cold blood. Remember, they had a choice in becoming pregnant (minus the rape case), and if they didn't want the baby, they shouldn't have become pregnant to begin with. They want the foetus to pay the price of their irresponsibility as well as their fickleness..... And I'm not about to support them to do that.

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I voted For. But the poll should have been pro-choice not pro-abortion cz the latter implies favoring abortion over childbirht..
The right to Abortion is a WOMAN's RIGHT, "the RIGHT TO CHOOSE", an important women's health right and a PRIVATE & personal decision to be taken only by the concerned woman. Who are we to judge the pg woman situation and decide whether or not she can be granted the permission to abort.

Legislation doesn't create morality. Prohibition did not stir moral outrage against drinking or drugs and it will not make teenagers more careful. it is all in the education... but as society still fails our youth in terms of sexual education and as contraception/birth control methods are not 100% reliable , should the teenage girl pay for a stupid mistake (because naturally the guy will not have to assume any consequences) or pay for a contraception that didn't work. Moreover should a woman that suffered from rape or incest pay the double price! Isn't It ENOUGH?!
Women that chose abortion, were not irresponsible or "fickle". Women do not go sleep around without any morality and refuse to assume responsabilities for their actions! Give us more credit then That!!!
Abortion is not a spa-day, it is a very painful operation, so if a woman makes this choice it is not because it's the easiest solution but cz it is A Necessary One...

Laws have never stopped abortion, but only relegated it to back-street butchers in countries where abortion is illegal (or in rare and lucky cases where qualified MDs perform abortion "sous le manteau") hence putting women's lifes in danger. a legal abortion would allow this operation to be performed in hospitals under the care of qualified personel.

Access to Abortion is a matter of responsibility, CHoice and Right
"No woman can call herself free who does not own and control her body.
No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother. Margaret Sanger

[Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria]

Why do women have the right to kill children? If women do, so can men (so that means men can force their wives to have abortions even if the wives don't want to). Babies don't come only from the woman but also the man. It's not a personal choice when OTHERS (including the foetus) are involved in it.

Also, outlawing a certain thing WILL reduce the number of those who do/use that thing! If cigarettes are outlawed, most people would rather give up on it than engage in illegal activity....

And who said guys don't pay the price of their mistakes? Of course they do.

Moreover should a woman that suffered from rape or incest pay the double price!

Did you read what I said????????? I said there can be exceptions, but it doesn't mean we have to make it legal for EVERYONE under the sun!!!!!!!!!!!!

Women that chose abortion, were not irresponsible or "fickle".

Most actually ARE. Why? Because even if they do not sleep around (and I never implied that all women are sluts), they let non-life-threatening things make up their mind about the fate of their baby. Many women have had abortions before for less than serious reasons. In fact, most do.

Abortion should not be a "choice" for all women, and it most certainly is not a right.

Choosing abortion is not about choosing whether or not to be a mother, it is choosing to kill the foetus after one has made the decision to be a mother.

[PhoenixResurrection]

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Why do women have the right to kill children?.

It is not a child you are going to kill. It is a fetus that totally dependent on the body of the woman for its life support. This leads to the infamous question: where does life begin? Each single religion has its own interpretation. Ditto for the medical field
The bare point is: Women get pregnant, and have the responsibility of childbirth… Why aren’t we trusted with this legacy? Abortion should be legal as a choice and a right that we deserve to be given… knowing that we are not going to use it recklessly. We are far from being careless people

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

If women do, so can men (so that means men can force their wives to have abortions even if the wives don't want to). Babies don't come only from the woman but also the man.

well indeed some do that. In freedom of choice countries, if the parents disagree it is the woman’s view that prevails because she physically bears the child and is more directly affected by the pregnancy.

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

It's not a personal choice when OTHERS (including the foetus) are involved in it.

It remains a personal choice with the huge responsibility it encloses. The pg woman has to assume the whole responsibility of this pregnancy with all it consequences.
Naturally there will always be an infinitesimal number of women that are immature. But as awful as this could seem, we still cannot force them to keep an unwanted child. There can always seek an illegal abortion.

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Also, outlawing a certain thing WILL reduce the number of those who do/use that thing! If cigarettes are outlawed, most people would rather give up on it than engage in illegal activity....

Given fact: Laws have never stopped abortion, but only relegated it to back-alley butchers. Ironically, countries with restrictive abortion laws have a significant number of illegal abortions. 40% of abortions performed annually worldwide are illegal and unsafe (keeping in mind that the UN institutes and NGOs couldn’t keep track of all illegal ones!)

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

And who said guys don't pay the price of their mistakes? Of course they do.

Doubtful (double standards/different scales)

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Did you read what I said????????? I said there can be exceptions, but it doesn't mean we have to make it legal for EVERYONE under the sun!

Wow, I wasn’t questioning your opinion but just presenting my viewpoint on all possible situations!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Many women have had abortions before for less than serious reasons. In fact, most do. .

Nope! Couldn’t be more wrong… Especially With the new generation of birth control, such as “the morning after pill” which can prevent unintended pregnancy after unsafe sex, the number of abortions performed for “less then serious reasons” are quite minimal

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Abortion should not be a "choice" for all women, and it most certainly is not a right..

You’re entitled to your opinion, but I hope you and the 35.71% will change your mind for the sake of women's! I firmly believe that Access to Abortion is a matter of responsibility, CHoice and Right. It is also an effective deterrent to illegal and unsafe back-alley abortions

Originally Posted by Anti-Israel/Anti-Syria

Choosing abortion is not about choosing whether or not to be a mother, it is choosing to kill the foetus after one has made the decision to be a mother.

This last line of the quote refers to contraception not abortion as Margaret Sanger was the 1st activist for birth control

No woman can call herself free who does not own and control her body.
No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother. Margaret Sanger