Are you with Abortion?

[MissLaymoune]

Originally Posted by faithful

Hearing that from the member who is fighting for the animal's rights to live in "Animals are not ours to eat" thread ...... made me really chocked....

So you think babies/fetus are ours and we own them, so we can kill them if we don't want them heyk bi kil bassata ???? .... And in the other hand Animals are not ours to eat because they have the right to live ???? .... where is the fetus right to live ???? .... Are Animals now more valuable than our own babies ????

first I am glad coz you seem really interested in my threads :)

It seems you read the part you like ! I already said if the mother is not able to raise this child , the financial situation is hitting the bottom , especially in our society and ive mentioned teenager pragnancy ! How do you expect her to keep the fetus? She's going to turn her life and the fetus' life into real hell ! Life's about choices and It's the mother choice. I dont encourage a mom who has no job , no money , no family to give birth to a child ! I'm concerned about his life conditions and sure im with abortion ! the fetus is not going to feel any pain and it's better for him to quit life than to live in unapproriate conditions ! people have the right to live , to eat , to speak freely , to work , to pray why dont they have the right to decide whether they want this child or not? people always do mistakes and abortion is the way to fix it ! he's not born yet , beside what religious said, Its better for the fetus and the mother.

"Animals are more valuablethan our own babies" ! you are mixing things up , the only reason i fight for animals rights is because i speak out for those who cant ! but mothers can vividly decide their choices and what's the better for their childs , ma ra7a tkouni 7arissa 3al fetus aktar mn emmou !

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Xena

i was thinking a while ago... what do you really mean by legalizing abortion or not...
like for exemple, if you're against legalizing it, does it mean you deny other women (who are in favor of it) the right to go through it if they wish to? just because you think it's wrong?
doesn't it mean you're imposing your own point of you on others?

and if not then what's the point behind this debate? i don't get it... it shouldn't be more than a yes i m in favor of abortion, or no i'm against it...

ok i might agree that it's a topic that should be discussed with teenage girls on a more informative level, sticking just to the consequences on their health and how things happen etc etc... so they would be aware of the risks and not look at abortion as a contraceptive method but rather more as a "not such a great option but still a possible option"...
and voila that should be it!

What is complicating the issue here is the religious point of view.

[Xena]

and i thought we were in the 3rd millennium...not the middle ages...

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by MissLaymoune

first I am glad coz you seem really interested in my threads :)

It seems you read the part you like ! I already said if the mother is not able to raise this child , the financial situation is hitting the bottom , especially in our society and ive mentioned teenager pragnancy ! How do you expect her to keep the fetus? She's going to turn her life and the fetus' life into real hell ! Life's about choices and It's the mother choice. I dont encourage a mom who has no job , no money , no family to give birth to a child ! I'm concerned about his life conditions and sure im with abortion ! the fetus is not going to feel any pain and it's better for him to quit life than to live in unapproriate conditions ! people have the right to live , to eat , to speak freely , to work , to pray why dont they have the right to decide whether they want this child or not? people always do mistakes and abortion is the way to fix it ! he's not born yet , beside what religious said, Its better for the fetus and the mother.

"Animals are more valuablethan our own babies" ! you are mixing things up , the only reason i fight for animals rights is because i speak out for those who cant ! but mothers can vividly decide their choices and what's the better for their childs , ma ra7a tkouni 7arissa 3al fetus aktar mn emmou ! !

I understood you very well MissLaymoune and i didnt read the part i like from your post .... but it seems you also can not understand what i am telling you ...but i want you to think a little bit about your life ..... did you live all your life happy ??? .... akid la2 ....akid you had a lot of pain ... this is life ..... but with all this pain and problems and sadness and ..... aren't you happy because you are alive ?? ..... aren't you happy because your parents gave you this chance to see the light ??? .... arent you happy because they let you see this world with all his beauty and all his ugliness ??? ..... Dont you feel that life is worth to live ???? .....you can never know if this fetus will live a good life or not .... because life always hide a lot of surprises .... sometimes are good and sometimes are not ..... why should we decide on behalf of the fetus ???? .... he may live in a very poor family and he may be happy .... and he may live in a very rich family ... and he may be the most miserable person on earth as the majority of the rich people .....
Happiness is not about money .... every person search for his happiness differently than others. ... There are no rules here nor conditions for happiness.

Anyway The only reason i fight for the fetus rights to live is because i speak out for those who cant. .... if they can speek ... they will surely tell you ... Give us our chance to live, to love, to cry, to laugh, to hug ...... and dont stole our rights from us because we deserve it as much as you.

People are free to do whatever they want but their freedom should stop when it starts to hurt others ...... I will rest my case here

[MissLaymoune]

Originally Posted by faithful

I understood you very well MissLaymoune and i didnt read the part i like from your post .... but it seems you also can not understand what i am telling you ...but i want you to think a little bit about your life ..... did you live all your life happy ??? .... akid la2 ....akid you had a lot of pain ... this is life ..... but with all this pain and problems and sadness and ..... aren't you happy because you are alive ?? ..... aren't you happy because your parents gave you this chance to see the light ??? .... arent you happy because they let you see this world with all his beauty and all his ugliness ??? ..... Dont you feel that life is worth to live ???? .....you can never know if this fetus will live a good life or not .... because life always hide a lot of surprises .... sometimes are good and sometimes are not ..... why should we decide on behalf of the fetus ???? .... he may live in a very poor family and he may be happy .... and he may live in a very rich family ... and he may be the most miserable person on earth as the majority of the rich people .....
Happiness is not about money .... every person search for his happiness differently than others. ... There are no rules here nor conditions for happiness.

Anyway The only reason i fight for the fetus rights to live is because i speak out for those who cant. .... if they can speek ... they will surely tell you ... Give us our chance to live, to love, to cry, to laugh, to hug ...... and dont stole our rights from us because we deserve it as much as you.

People are free to do whatever they want but their freedom should stop when it starts to hurt others ...... I will rest my case here

That's really touching , it would fit and ending for a movie ! there;s another level of existence that is real Faithful ! having a child is not a gamble ! yalla menjibou he might be happy in a poor family with no job , no money , no home ! You must be READY ! as u said it's a life w if you are not able to give an appropriate condition to this soul don't bring it to this life ! You are not at a casino , " I'll give it a shot " . and its not about freedom its about creating the life he deserves to live ! Hugs and kisses ma bita3mou khebez !

[chafic]

Originally Posted by MissLaymoune

That's really touching , it would fit and ending for a movie ! there;s another level of existence that is real Faithful ! having a child is not a gamble ! yalla menjibou he might be happy in a poor family with no job , no money , no home ! You must be READY ! as u said it's a life w if you are not able to give an appropriate condition to this soul don't bring it to this life ! You are not at a casino , " I'll give it a shot " . and its not about freedom its about creating the life he deserves to live ! Hugs and kisses ma bita3mou khebez !

But eventually, he\she (the future baby) can possibly manage to have a good life, even if he\she was not born in "appropriate conditions"; Who knows. The real gamble though is when "he and she" decide to make the "she" pregnant. (or do not take the precautions not to)

[MissLaymoune]

Originally Posted by chafic

But eventually, he\she (the future baby) can possibly manage to have a good life, even if he\she was not born in "appropriate conditions"; Who knows. The real gamble though is when "he and she" decide to make the "she" pregnant. (or do not take the precautions not to)

Chafic i already said , people do mistakes , and she get pregnant , its not the best time , not the proper conditions you advice her to give birth to this child? now that's a real gamble !

[chafic]

Originally Posted by MissLaymoune

Chafic i already said , people do mistakes , and she get pregnant , its not the best time , not the proper conditions you advice her to give birth to this child? now that's a real gamble !

It's a personal choice after all, but when you do a mistake, you generally do not hold someone else responsible for it, in that case, the baby to come.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by chafic

It's a personal choice after all, but when you do a mistake, you generally do not hold someone else responsible for it, in that case, the baby to come.

The evolving cells are part of the woman's body, it is the woman's responsibility and own choice to stop this growth in due time. It is that simple.

Now if you complicate it further, you are not talking any more from a scientific point of view but religious one.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by Salome

The evolving cells are part of the woman's body, it is the woman's responsibility and own choice to stop this growth in due time. It is that simple.

Now if you complicate it further, you are not talking any more from a scientific point of view but religious one.

The fetus is distinct organism feeding from the female's body for an interim period, not part of the body. Whether in or out of the body is of little relevance here.