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Life? You just agreed to liquidation, yet to you talk about life?
I just posted something in the movie thread, I should have dedicated it to you.
It is very hypocritical to talk about life when you are ready to take it when it suits you. Pro-choicers are the last people to talk about life. They kill the most innocent. What does liquidation have to do with a thread about abortion? Shall we talk about Hezbollah vs Israel here too? This is a child killing discussion where human rights activists are calling for child murder in the womb lol.
A note on the side, of course some men would push for abortion rights because there is no way in the world they'd want to have the kids of all the women they sleep with . They'd commit suicice if it were to happen lol. It's her role to make sure she doesn't fall into the "i'd kill myself if you have my child" category. Cheap, onion cheap, makes one feel like trash.
That's up to you to decide, yet it makes you a criminal. Maybe you and your partner should try harder not to be clumsy, careless and weak enough to fall pregnant. Invest in some contraceptives. Would you kill a four month old baby for example? Do you have the heart to kill it?
We'd be then some happy murderers. You seem to have a problem with that!
So, my point is, instead of you dealing with that, just let it for your god to deal with this after the mortal life. Isn't it supposed to be that way in the first place (per your religious beliefs)?
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I understand that. Well said. You don't care if it's a human being, yet you claim you are pro human rights lol.
So you labeled me as a pro human rights, and made a hypocrite of me, hek min 3indik!
3anjad, amazing!
Anyway, since it's off-topic, there's no need to state a full point of view on this matter.
This little piece from George will do enough:
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Sakheeeeeef. This proves that his brain is that of a chickens.
Soon, you'll be calling on cow worshiping lol. You have to eat to survive. Killing any animal "for fun" is like killing a human. Oh, i forgot that we can eat babies too.
Not good enough. I'd throw tomatoes at him had i been there.
Excellent. Those replies are what I were hoping for. Thanks for your frankness and simpleness in stating your opinion.
I'll elaborate my point within the reply to "faithful".
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Originally Posted by faithful
Because as a human being you are born with more privileges than all other creature on earth ... walla mannak mla7az ???? ......Our life is precious because God created us on his own image, he made us different than other creature..... iza baddak t2arin 7alak bel djeje inta 7orr
I am not here to convince anyone of my point of view ... killing a life is a crime whatever was the reason. .... for me life begins at conception and Abortion is a crime. No one has the right to stop the little baby's life ... not his mother nor his father nor anyone on earth..... It's true she is carrying him and he depends on her to live but he still a unique person on himself and he has the right to live.
Very clear and to the point!
So, lets put this in brief:
- You are faithful; I am faithless.
- You believe you were born with more priviliges than other creatures; I don't.
- You believe life begins at conception; I have a much wider definition for life that goes beyond the role and meaning of conception.
- You think killing a fetus is a clear murder; I view this differently.
What to say here is that there are two human "versions" of opposite ways of thinking, and thus opposite principles and beliefs.
For the sake of a peaceful coexistence, the lone solution would be to just avoid imposing personal beliefs and enforcing a way of living on either of the two side.
That is the point I'd like to make and to discuss (if needed so; since it's a matter of tolerance not a theoretical argument).
In that context, here are the two statements I'm interested in:
"I am not here to convince anyone of my point of view"
and then followed by:
"No one has the right to stop the little baby's life"
So, you're actually not trying to convince us, you're forbidding us! That's a little harsher act than that of convincing, don't you think?!
Using the same logic I might suggest: you don't have the right to force a couple to have a child they don't want to have!
I can go even further with that you know!
So, this is not the right language to abide by I suggest.
PS: By talking about "peaceful coexistence", it's not meant that those two mentioned "versions" are not to go along with each other at any level!
That was only regarding this topic's case.
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Originally Posted by Claudia
Yes, simple as that!... And that is what I call a "false morel" response.
Just a little remark: "morel" is a totally other thing than "moral". It's even pronounced differently.
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Originally Posted by Abu Ruman
Salome, you are wasting your time. To put it in Carlinian terms, you're arguing with people who believe (atrociously, even in the case of rape) that an irreversible dictum has been mandated by the invisible man.
Remember, no one argues with the invisible man.
Afterall, which woman wouldnt want to wake up every morning staring at the face of the living manifestation of her greatest nightmare? Also, what child wouldnt want to be a walking carrier of unethically passed genes? But dont worry - to put it again in Carlinian terms - everytime the child fills out a legal document he/she can just neutralize his/her emotions by identifying his/her mother as the unwilling sperm recipient - rather than a victim who was forced to surrender her sexual organs to some stranger (daddy). Because, I'll be honest with you, in a society which forces a woman to confront her greatest nightmare - without any terminal solution - they would have to legally, culturally, linguistically, mentally, etc. reduce the reality to such sanitary terms, without the kid going psychologically insane him/herself.
Its absolutely disgusting how these neomoralists cross their own ideals.
AR, even if you highlight those crosses that those people make over their own ideals in order for them to see and recognize their own contradiction clearly, they will still insist on their hypocritical irrational beliefs!
I wonder why though!
We'd be then some happy murderers. You seem to have a problem with that!
So, my point is, instead of you dealing with that, just let it for your god to deal with this after the mortal life. Isn't it supposed to be that way in the first place (per your religious beliefs)?
Yes, of course, you kill an innocent life, you're a criminal. This is the truth that probably hurts those who have done it. No one is imposing views on anyone, but rather stating honest opinions. All is left for God to judge of course.
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So you labeled me as a pro human rights, and made a hypocrite of me, hek min 3indik!
3anjad, amazing!
If you're not a human rights "activist", then it's another story. If so, what's "amazing" about it? How can one be pro human rights yet accept abortion? I fail to see the logic, all i see is hypocricy. Human rights when it suits you? What human right logic you want us to buy? Kill a baby? Where do the rights of that child fit? You want to convince yourself that the baby is not human to justify this disgusting act? Does "science" tell you that "cientificos"? There is nothing but emptiness in your arguments. In the end it's you and your conscience, we are all born free with the abilities to judge and decide what's right from wrong. Maybe people need to educate themselves on how to use contraseptives to avoid murdering others for their pleasure. Disgraceful.
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Anyway, since it's off-topic, there's no need to state a full point of view on this matter.
This little piece from George will do enough:
I told you, i find him very ignorant. He sure knows how to bring humans down to the level of apes which many are happy to be. When you combine blasphemy with ignorance this is what you get.
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AR, even if you highlight those crosses that those people make over their own ideals in order for them to see and recognize their own contradiction clearly, they will still insist on their hypocritical irrational beliefs!
I wonder why though!
No contradiction, it's still a crime once the fetus has developed enough, other than that it's justifiable (to me). That was my opinion, I wouldn't pay for what i didn't do and would not be a victim for the rest of my life. If i'm responsible, it becomes my responsibility. Other than that I'm guilt free .
I told you, i find him very ignorant. He sure knows how to bring humans down to the level of apes which many are happy to be. When you combine blasphemy with ignorance this is what you get.
So does Bill O'Reilly. Anyone who reads in-between the lines of Carlin sees a very well-read man who 'brings down' humans with his witty observations simply because its his way of reminding them of their frailty, stupidity, and selfishness - which most humans would take offense in being diagnosed with.
All men of history who have told humans what they didnt want to hear - have been profaned.
Humans think anything against their wishful thinking is immoral and bad. They want to be told what they're doing is good and that they should keep doing it. They think they are special, so different from animals but yet act the same like them in times of war, greed, and self-interest - but, have their 'feelings hurt' when someone like Carlin points it out to them.
A note on the side, of course some men would push for abortion rights because there is no way in the world they'd want to have the kids of all the women they sleep with . They'd commit suicice if it were to happen lol. It's her role to make sure she doesn't fall into the "i'd kill myself if you have my child" category. Cheap, onion cheap, makes one feel like trash.
Most women are against abortions. In Italy, everytime someone makes bout abortion the final result is always the same: most of those who say yes to legal abortions are men. It's not difficult to understand why... It must be "nice" to have a female lover so that when some mistake happens you just put some money on her bag and send her to an abortion hospital.
There are many different sides effects caused by abortions: regrets, headaches, rejections for sexual activity, unable to produce babies, clogging of the fallopian tubes. For some they become sterile and others become lesbians. But all of this happens only to women, never to men. So for (some of) them it is always very easy to be a pro-choice....
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Originally Posted by False Morel
We'd be then some happy murderers. You seem to have a problem with that!
Happy murderers? So you admit abortion is a crime. And a crime makes you happy...
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- You believe you were born with more priviliges than other creatures; I don't.
Of course you do, False M. You say that some children may live because their moms allow them to live, while others (without such priviledge) cannot live. It's you, dear, who says some have the right to be born, while others don't. We, pro-life, believe everyone has the same right to live.
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So, you're actually not trying to convince us, you're forbidding us! That's a little harsher act than that of convincing, don't you think?!
Because we want your children alive, why can't you understand? It won't be good for you if your wife has an abortion.
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Using the same logic I might suggest: you don't have the right to force a couple to have a child they don't want to have!
So tell to the couple "Use contraceptives!"
You shouldn't kill a living organism just because you don't want to take care of it! Will you kill your father when he gets old and sick? If he needs you to care of him would you kill just because you are not forced to assume your responsabilities? My God, what world are you living in? That living being is apart of you but you made it! How can't you love him? Killing him it is like killing apart of yourself. Do you really want to kill your son/daughter just because you dint want the responsiblity?! How can't you feel a frop of love or compassion for that little baby who already loves you?
There are risks and most of the time you will not be informed of all of the risks by the Clinic which ou have the abotions. If you don't believe me, just google "abortions risks".
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Just a little remark: "morel" is a totally other thing than "moral". It's even pronounced differently.
Do you think abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in most cases, illegal in most cases, or illegal in all cases???
A woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one in the first three months of pregnancy, no matter what the reason??? Abortion should be legal ONLY in certain circumstances, such as when a woman's health is endangered or when the pregnancy results from rape or incest???? Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances, even if the mother's life is in danger???
In my point of view abortion must be legalized in all cases. what if the woman is not able to raise a child? many of you now is going to tell me why did she get pregnant at first place ! I would say okay now she's pregnant that's not the main question to ask !And personaly I think it's not about taking responsibilities especially teenage pregnancy and especially when the financial situation is hitting the bottom so it is her choice.
In my point of view abortion must be legalized in all cases. what if the woman is not able to raise a child? many of you now is going to tell me why did she get pregnant at first place ! I would say okay now she's pregnant that's not the main question to ask !And personaly I think it's not about taking responsibilities especially teenage pregnancy and especially when the financial situation is hitting the bottom so it is her choice.
Hearing that from the member who is fighting for the animal's rights to live in "Animals are not ours to eat" thread ...... made me really chocked....
So you think babies/fetus are ours and we own them, so we can kill them if we don't want them heyk bi kil bassata ???? .... And in the other hand Animals are not ours to eat because they have the right to live ???? .... where is the fetus right to live ???? .... Are Animals now more valuable than our own babies ????
i was thinking a while ago... what do you really mean by legalizing abortion or not...
like for exemple, if you're against legalizing it, does it mean you deny other women (who are in favor of it) the right to go through it if they wish to? just because you think it's wrong?
doesn't it mean you're imposing your own point of you on others?
and if not then what's the point behind this debate? i don't get it... it shouldn't be more than a yes i m in favor of abortion, or no i'm against it...
ok i might agree that it's a topic that should be discussed with teenage girls on a more informative level, sticking just to the consequences on their health and how things happen etc etc... so they would be aware of the risks and not look at abortion as a contraceptive method but rather more as a "not such a great option but still a possible option"...
and voila that should be it!
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27th July 2008
You just agreed to liquidation, yet to you talk about life?
. They'd commit suicice if it were to happen lol. It's her role to make sure she doesn't fall into the "i'd kill myself if you have my child" category. Cheap, onion cheap, makes one feel like trash.
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