Are you with Abortion?

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Mich©

I am a huge advocate of God's greatest miracles which is life, however, what if a woman was raped by a relative? Is the woman condemned? Does she keep a baby that was created by incest?

Imagine the worst scenario, bc it happens:( when a (young) girl is being raped by his own father.

Honestly I havent thought of this situation, but it shall be dealt with subtle too.

[lebluv]

Originally Posted by Stella

I just heard in the news, that a 21 year old girl was brutally beaten and raped by 5 policemen!!!! If after she is taken to hospital and turns out she is pregnant from the bastards, would you condemn her if she decides about abortion?

Hopefully it is not more than 2 3 days since the assault so it wouldnt be called abortion but emergency contraception.
any way my previous answer applies here...if she decided tough then am absolutely positive...
By the way we dont ask'em (the raped) if they want to keep the baby but we start the procedures of emergency contraception asap.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by faithful

Stella, we all know that it is a hard situation but being a victim doesn't give us the right to kill our baby who also is a victim. Where is the non respect here ??

Yes in some very certain cases, stated above, it is her right to do it, as soon as possible, like after the rape directly going to a doctor, and not delaying it, not even with days.
I imagine if a 21 year old girl for example is beaten to uncosciousness and being raped by some bastards, she will land in the hospital anyway.

These victims dont deserve the label: murderers.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by lebluv

By the way we dont ask'em (the raped) if they want to keep the baby but we start the procedures of emergency contraception asap.

Really you dont ask them? Why?

I dont have information about whether the girl got pregnant indeed, I was just supposing that scenario. What is known, that 5 policemen abused their authority and raped brutally that girl. Unfortunately they will get only 5 to 10 years.

And what about those early spotted diseases I asked somewhere above?

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Mich©

I am a huge advocate of God's greatest miracles which is life, however, what if a woman was raped by a relative? Is the woman condemned? Does she keep a baby that was created by incest?

Yes i will keep him, because i don't own his life and i can't do whatever i want to him. He is not a doll or a piece of paper or.... he is a human being who has nothing to do with all our problems........He deserves to be alive. And its not me who is gonna judge him if he was created by incest or not. I don't have the right to do it.

Khallas he is created by mistake or not, by incest or not. Life exists in him and i should respect him and respect his right to live. Why we always treat an unborn baby like an object and we give ourselves the right to do whatever we like to do with him ??? Who gave us the right to end his life ??? Bi aya 7a2 ???......He is a human being like anyone of us. He has rights even if he still very small and he can't defend himself........ He must live.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by faithful

Yes i will keep him, because i don't own his life and i can't do whatever i want to him. He is not a doll or a piece of paper or.... he is a human being who has nothing to do with all our problems........He deserves to be alive. And its not me who is gonna judge him if he was created by incest or not. I don't have the right to do it.

Khallas he is created by mistake or not, by incest or not. Life exists in him and i should respect him and respect his right to live. Why we always treat an unborn baby like an object and we give ourselves the right to do whatever we like to do with him ??? Who gave us the right to end his life ??? Bi aya 7a2 ???......He is a human being like anyone of us. He has rights even if he still very small and he can't defend himself, and he must live.

Just an example, bc life can be cruel sometimes:

What if a 13 year old lil girl is raped by his drunken father, and the girl gets pregnant?

I also ask lebluv, is there any medical procedure how to deal with these unfortunate situations in case of minors?

[lebluv]

Originally Posted by Stella

Really you dont ask them? Why?

I dont have information about whether the girl got pregnant indeed, I was just supposing that scenario. What is known, that 5 policemen abused their authority and raped brutally that girl. Unfortunately they will get only 5 to 10 years only.

And what about those early spotted diseases I asked somewhere above?

Usually we dant ask coz it is what all the raped girls demand and in most societies they dont accept having a baby from rape.and since it is considered no abortion but a kind of contraception then sure it is a duty to be done with no hesitation.
for the diseases...yes most of the diseases that cause malformations or with a genetic origin are early detected...
masalan a women in the 2nd month who got varicella..her fetus may appear to have some malformations specially nervous mal.and retardations...a simple blood test could show us have the virus reached the fetus or not yet.

I also ask lebluv, is there any medical procedure how to deal with these unfortunate situations in case of minors?

I didnt fully get ur question here

[lebluv]

Faithfull and Stella..i repeat most of these cases does not reach pregnancy.
ur are discussing a 0.01 percentage..
but for the father who rapes the percentage is even higher..ya3ne a bigger percntage reach pregnancy and ethicalkly it is not allowed to continue with pregnancy especially if it was detected before 3 month.

[Aounist05]

Originally Posted by Stella

Just an example, bc life can be cruel sometimes:

What if a 13 year old lil girl is raped by his drunken father, and the girl gets pregnant?

I also ask lebluv, is there any medical procedure how to deal with these unfortunate situations in case of minors?

I am sure noone rejects abortion in extreme cases like rape.
However let's face it, how many women are being raped per year and how many of them will get pregnant because of the rape...I don't think (although I don't have statistics) that the number is sufficient enough to have specialised abortion clinics make their living from it.
I can also bet that the abortion law applied in the west was not initially intended to solve the raped women problem, but to give the right to the women to end the life of their fetus...For me this is undeniable CRIME in case there is no strong reason to do so.

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Stella

Just an example, bc life can be cruel sometimes:

What if a 13 year old lil girl is raped by his drunken father, and the girl gets pregnant?

I also ask lebluv, is there any medical procedure how to deal with these unfortunate situations in case of minors?

Stella, i am against killing an unborn baby whatever was the reason and the cause. ..... Maybe because i am a believer and i believe that everyone has the right to live and especially an innocent baby. So i put all my problems in the hand of God and i am sure he will help me and he will give me the wisdom and the strength to do the right thing. ......

I will never end a life just to be able to continue my own life as nothing happened.

Killing my own baby doesn't make me better, and doesn't remove my pain or clean my past nor my memory. This is me Stella, this is what i feel and what i believe.