Are you with Abortion?

[Xena]

Originally Posted by mishmish

"Are you born after 1973????
Congratulations!!
you are one of the lucky ones........ you made it!!!!!
1/3 of your generation was aborted!!"

are you talking to me?

[mishmish]

Many would have you believe that abortions are "safe" since they became legal. Unfortunately, this is far from true. Women face injuries to the uterus, cervix, urinary tract, infection, hemorrhage, heart failure, embolism, sterilizations, ruptured intestines & bowels, coma, and even death. In addition, there are countless cases of abortionists sexually abusing their clients while under anesthesia. In fact, you're four times more likely to die in the year following your abortion. Further, woman who have abortions suffer mental health declines, while those who deliver their child actually have improved mental health..............

[mishmish]

not specifically u, i am talking to every living human creature who is now enjoying life. he must feel very lucky because others didn't even have the chance to live their life, because somebody had decided for them to take away their life and deprive from their most important right. the right to have a LIFE ..

but if you feel you are meant by my talk then it's another subject

[lebluv]

Originally Posted by Xena

no there is no debate on whether it's allowed or not!
the debate is about whether it's allowed before 40 days or 120 days!
Islam says that at the age of 40 days God sends an angel to blow the soul into the fetus..and once it has a soul you can never kill the baby, because you'll be taking away a soul! and that's equal to murder
scientifically speaking, the first heart beat and the first brain wave occurs at 40 days.

I have my sources about the debate..if i may name some of the clerics of shiaa :
Mohamad husein Fadlalah : 40 days
ali khamenei :zero days :Blowing the soul occurs at the time of conception.
but i really did not hear about a 120 day allowed abortion..plz can u give me ur source that will add to my info and be more helpful.

[lebluv]

My question to the Ones who say ABSOLUTELY AGAINST :

What do u think about abortion in the case of a Downssyndrome (mangolian) or a fetus with serious defects?
i am not with and i am not against...i have to hear ur opinion then maybe ill decide.

[Xena]

Originally Posted by lebluv

I have my sources about the debate..if i may name some of the clerics of shiaa :
Mohamad husein Fadlalah : 40 days
ali khamenei :zero days :Blowing the soul occurs at the time of conception.
but i really did not hear about a 120 day allowed abortion..plz can u give me ur source that will add to my info and be more helpful.

i personally believe in the 40 days, it's much more logical.
as for the source, well type in google 120 days abortion islam you'll get 658.000 sites..pick the one you like :)

as for the abortion because of an illness, a physical or a mental abnormality it s allowed in islam too!
and i'd probably consider it... i mean why would you want to bring to life a human being who will probably suffer!!

[Aounist05]

I am against abortion and a PRO LIFE person.
However there are cases where there is no way out, like defected fetus or mother's life at risk. In these special cases, abortion can be tolerated.

On the other hand aborting a fetus for other reasons for example the woman don't want it anymore or because she got pregnant by error, should be considered a REAL CRIME. For a very simple reason, one should assume responsibilities of his/her acts. If she does not want to get pregnant she can ask her partner to use condomns...

[Faithful]

Sorry Xena but i disagree with you. I believe that life begins at conception. Everything is complete in the baby, all characterisitcs exist but he just need time to grow. So life exists from the day of conception and i will never end that life no matter how small the baby was.


source www.mccl.org
The unborn baby is alive from the moment of fertilization.
The unborn baby has a heartbeat at three weeks and brain waves at six weeks.
The unborn baby is complete! He or she is programmed from the inside for an ongoing process of growth and development.
The unborn baby has 46 chromosomes in the cells of his or her body -- the scientifically verifiable human genetic code.
The answer is clear... You were you from the moment of fertilization -- a unique human being never to be repeated in all of history.

Nothing magic occurs at birth which suddenly makes an unborn baby human. The baby is the same baby, whether inside or outside the uterus.

Every unborn baby is a complete, individual, living human being from the earliest moment of his or her existence at fertilization.


Abortion Methods:
Most abortions are suction curettage abortions. A sharp-edged plastic tube is inserted into the uterus. It cuts the unborn baby into pieces. A suction machine, many times more powerful than a vacuum cleaner, sucks out the pieces of the baby and the placenta. In later abortions, sharp instruments are used to cut the unborn baby out of the uterus piece by piece, or powerful chemicals are used to induce labor and death.

[Lebanese_dream]

Originally Posted by lebluv

My question to the Ones who say ABSOLUTELY AGAINST :

What do u think about abortion in the case of a Downssyndrome (mangolian) or a fetus with serious defects?
i am not with and i am not against...i have to hear ur opinion then maybe ill decide.

Even if he has 1/2 head, 4 legs, 9 eyes... I will give him birth!!!
What do you about mangolians? I took care of mangolians for years and I know very well how to let them be happy and I know that they enjoy life if the parents didn't do out of it a drama!!!

Last year, I was babysitting 2 children I never met before! I arrived and one of 2 was ' trisomique'... The girl is enjoying life like hell because she has all she wanted from her parents as a normal child. There is no difference for them in education between her bro and her. But, alas, I worked with mangolians in Lebanon and most of the time, parents keep on nagging what did I do to god to have such a punition... IT is not a punition!!! If you let your son live in such circumstances, sure he will suffer and won't enjoy life at all...

All begin at home, just know how to act with this abnormal child who is YOUR SON!!! Yes, YOUR SON!!!

[Stella]

Originally Posted by mishmish

let us for once be responsibel for our actions.

Do you hold a woman, who was raped and beaten brutally by several men, also responsible?

Originally Posted by Xena

but i know something i will never abort, after the 40 days and even if it was because of a rape!...40 days are more than enough to make a decision!

Exactly, in case of a rape surely the women /or ideally/ shall visit a hospital asap.


I think there should be a law which prohibits abortion after few weeks, max up till 1 month, in all cases, including rape.