Are you with Abortion?

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by Stella

How would you face such tragedy? If you choose to keep the baby, what would you tell him/her later, what would you feel when you see the face of the raper in his/her face? Could you bare it, carrying this trauma all your life, and making his/her life miserable too?

Of course you can also adapt the child, but nobody guarantees that later hew/she wont find out, that her/his life wont collapse.

Rape is an awful tragedy. But abortion won't change anything, by the contrary, it will make the situation even worse. When a woman is raped there is a victim (the woman). When an abortion is made there a victim too- the baby. The woman could not avoid the rape but she can avoid the second tragedy.
She can always give her baby to adoption. There are soooo many couples out there who want a baby to care and to love.

Hindus think exactly like me (or I think exactly like them): abortion generates bad karma to the woman. Sooner or later, You will feel regrets and unhappiness for what you did.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

in that case abortion is better even though religion would condemn it. So there we go, I'm following a murderous mentality here.

Why is it better? There are many children who were born in these situations. Do you think they are all unhappy? they aren't.
Saying that an abortion is better than let the baby live is an offence to everyone who were born in these situations.

Originally Posted by Xena

talking about rape..
actually if you abort during the first 40 days it's ok...scientificly and religiously speaking ( i know you don't like the religiously part :p)
since at the age of 40 days the embryo has the first brain wave...before that it's considered as a future life but not life yet!
religiously speaking ( or at least accrording to my religion) the embryo has a soul at the age of 40 days, and abortion is allowed before that!

so in case of a rape, the woman should be alerted to do it before the 40 days! (at least that's how i think it should work)

In Christians religions you can never abort. Xena, are you talking about Islam? Sorry about my ignorance.

[quote=Abu Ruman;504595]

This is such a woman's issue, that I really dont have an opinion on it.

I think this is a couple's issue. A baby is made by two, so both parents are responsible for the baby. If I was a man and my wife/girlfriend decided for an abortion against my will I would process her. And this has nothing to do with religion.

And for those with moral opposition to it, I would ask the very same individuals to examine their morality first.

And why should we examine our morality? Do you examine your morality every time you give an opinion?
Remember Gandhi, India's greatest apostle of nonviolence, has written: "It seems to me clear as daylight that abortion would be a crime."

There's nothing better in this life than give Life to another person!!!!

Originally Posted by Xena

i am totally against abortion!!!!!!! for me it's the same as killing!!!

actually i managed to escape an abortion...when my mom got pregnant, it was some sort of a mistake!! ehmm...yeah and she wanted to correct it!! since it was during the war, she already had a kid, and couldn't deal with a new child...so she decided to get rid of me!!!
anyway, to cut a long story short, everytime she would make an appointment with the gynecologist...her friend would cancel it so finaly my mom got very suspicious and decided to tell everyone that she's going to keep me! (so that she can go and abort me in peace actually)..but sadly enough for her, the israeli invaded beirut and she couldn't go to the gynecologist and got stuck with me

Xena, I read your post right now!! THANKS for sharing your story!! I am so happy because you are alive and here we us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your mom's friend was Great and for once in my Life I say "Blessed the Israli"!!!!!

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Claudia

Why is it better? There are many children who were born in these situations. Do you think they are all unhappy? they aren't.
Saying that an abortion is better than let the baby live is an offence to everyone who were born in these situations.

Broken families are causing psychological problems, what's left for a child born like that?... I'm taking it from a personal perspective here; if I were that child, I'd feel like ****. And I'm also thinking of the mum, no women would be "happy" to have a child from a rapist!

[WiseCookie]

I believe the woman should be the judge.

Better have the proper medical facilities than have it done secretly in unsanitary conditions.

[Colorful life]

Why are we allowed to help conceiving a new life but we are not allowed to end it in the same way?
If any woman doesn’t want to receive a being in her womb at a certain time, it is her right and here choice to get rid of it.
It is a decision to take, whether to join life in its mysterious ways of creation. Or just say: “Thank you, I PASS this time. Maybe I will join the game next time”.
If you know how to handle this game of life, it will be so easy to decide what to do.
Otherwise, it is advised to keep the baby. You will spare him and yourself lot of trouble.

[WiseCookie]

Just to make my statement clearer.

The only time I'm against abortion is when its used as a contraception method.

Because using contraception as a reason for abortion is **** right irresponsible.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Broken families are causing psychological problems, what's left for a child born like that?... I'm taking it from a personal perspective here; if I were that child, I'd feel like ****. And I'm also thinking of the mum, no women would be "happy" to have a child from a rapist!

Many here are speaking about ideal situations or in theory! I am sure when we would be in a situation when we really have to decide about abortion, it wont be so easy like it seems now!

You have to take into account many factors, and not everybody is so lucky to be able to decide about it in a friendly and comfortable environment! Sometimes keeping a child as a result of rape would cost the mother's life, or would bring dangers to others too. In some places a woman could be cast out and be stigmated for a life, forcing her to live as a beggar in the dirt if she happens to have an unwanted child. Why would the mother as well as the child deserve such a miserable life? Arent there already enough miseries in this world?

I think not many /if any/ would be able to live with that burden for a life, of having an unwanted child from a rape. That child would always remind her for the worst nightmare, how could she look into the face of the child? Especially if the face of the raper is looking back at her?

Bringing a child into this world is a big responsibility, a life long one! If someone is not mature enough for it, why shall she ruin the lives of many?
If someone decides to keep the baby and later adapt him/her, it will be also a trauma for life.

On the other hand education shall be enhanced on this field, raising awareness about contraceptives in schools already, in order to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by Stella

You have to take into account many factors, and not everybody is so lucky to be able to decide about it in a friendly and comfortable environment! Sometimes keeping a child as a result of rape would cost the mother's life, or would bring dangers to others too. In some places a woman could be cast out and be stigmated for a life, forcing her to live as a beggar in the dirt if she happens to have an unwanted child. Why would the mother as well as the child deserve such a miserable life? Arent there already enough miseries in this world?

I think not many /if any/ would be able to live with that burden for a life, of having an unwanted child from a rape. That child would always remind her for the worst nightmare, how could she look into the face of the child? Especially if the face of the raper is looking back at her?

Bringing a child into this world is a big responsibility, a life long one! If someone is not mature enough for it, why shall she ruin the lives of many?
If someone decides to keep the baby and later adapt him/her, it will be also a trauma for life.

What a pessimist post!
Let me just ask you: did you even talk with a child born in these circumstances? Are you sure ALL of them are unhappy? Some unhappy, others are happy. A rape is a tragedy but the baby is Innocent. If you don't want him (I understand when this happens), give him to others who will love him very much, but don't forbid someone to live. An abortion is an agony for the baby and for the mother.
Just my opinion.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Claudia

What a pessimist post!
Let me just ask you: did you even talk with a child born in these circumstances? Are you sure ALL of them are unhappy? Some unhappy, others are happy. A rape is a tragedy but the baby is Innocent. If you don't want him (I understand when this happens), give him to others who will love him very much, but don't forbid someone to live. An abortion is an agony for the baby and for the mother.
Just my opinion.

Not all children are so lucky to born into a loving family, right? I was talking about situations which are common in the 3rd world, and not in the comfortable west.
I think not allowing a child to have a miserable and desperate life, can be also humane.
See for example the outcast or slum children, those millions who are being mistreated, abused, beaten every day while working as beggars on the streets. Reproducing misery is no way humane.

I dont know what is the official medical opinion about from when a fetus can be considered as an individual protected by law, maybe it also varies by countries too.
I am not that religious to follow any religious dogmas, so just bc religion tells so that abortion in every case is forbidden, that wont affect my decision. Of course when someone decides about abortion, it shall happen as soon as possible.

Nobody shall and has the right to judge someone who is deciding about her own fate, as I told having a child is a life long responsibility.

Adapting a child as I said is a big trauma for everybody, it can be a solution, but not by all means.

Some men stated here their opinions quite arrogantly, well they will never have to face such problems, right? So words and judging others is very easy.

[Omeros]

en quelque mots je prefere me suicider que de tuer mon bebe nímporte quélle soit ma faute . comme cést ma faute a moi meme je prefere mourir que de resoudre les consequence avec cette facon

[Bee]

Abortion is the expulsion of the fetus from the womb before it has reached the state of viability.
An abortion may occur spontaneously in which case it is also called a miscarriage,or it may be brought on purposefully.in which case it is often called an induced abortion.


There are two extremes to the discussion of Abortion.One says that a woman being a human being should have full control over her body.On the other end are those who debate from a religious and cultural viewpoint who say that removal of the unborn foetus is murder.


Let us discuss the actuality of this issue in utmost depth.I request all the members who post to be serious please!!