Are you with Abortion?

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Stella

And what about the crime of rape? Would you still have the same opinion?

I don't know Stella, this situation will be very hard to the women. She is a victim and the baby also is a victim but do i have the right to kill him because of a barbarian act ? I don't know but i think he has the right to be alive, he has nothing to do with all these things.

I feel that she will learn how to love him because he is also part of her.
It won't be easy i know, and the women will need a lot of care and maybe a therapy but i know that she can pass all this, if she wants to.
Also i wonder if killing her baby will let her feel better, won't she feel guilty for the rest of her life??
I know that if she chose to keep the baby, she is choosing the hardest way but i think that she can do it, because her baby has the right to see the light.

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Xena

40 days in religion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...ortion_3.shtml

http://www.rcrc.org/perspectives/muslim.cfm

there's even scholars who would go up until 120 days!! but that's too much i guess!!

besides the first heart beat is during the 5th week (40 days)

source : http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/f...velopment1.php

i didnt say that before the 40 days the baby isn't being formed!!! but still not alive yet!! (first heart beat, first brain wave occur at 40 days)

Thanks Xena for the links, i read them well.
But i still believe that if the baby is being formed from the moment of his conception so LIFE exists in him.
So life is there and i can't prevent him from being alive, i don't have the right. Even if all the religions allow it, i don't care, i just can't do it.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Stella

This time I didnt get you, what you mean here

I was referring to that religion has a pressuring way, it encourages you to get married and have children.
As for me, not religion will decide or affect if I will do any of these.

I guess we confused each other then .

I understand you now :D... yes, you are free to follow whatever you want ;)... I just believe that religion regulates life and makes it easier.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by faithful

I don't know Stella, this situation will be very hard to the women. She is a victim and the baby also is a victim but do i have the right to kill him because of a barbarian act ? I don't know but i think he has the right to be alive, he has nothing to do with all these things.

I feel that she will learn how to love him because he is also part of her.
It won't be easy i know, and the women will need a lot of care and maybe a therapy but i know that she can pass all this, if she wants to.
Also i wonder if killing her baby will let her feel better, won't she feel guilty for the rest of her life??
I know that if she chose to keep the baby, she is choosing the hardest way but i think that she can do it, because her baby has the right to see the light.

I think this is the hardest case, even more subtle than when the child would born with sickness.
That child was conceived in hatred and desperation, and not in love, this trauma will effect the lives of many, not just the mother and the child.

I am sure if any of us would be in such a situation, the decision wont be so easy as we think now. I can imagine well many other factors, environmental pressure etc... which would determine the decision. I can imagine well a situation when a woman have to choose between keeping the child or committing suicide/facing persecution. I wont judge that woman who is not "brave enough" to die.

So in theory we can simplify things and have an opinion, but when we have to face such problems in real life, the decision wont be so easy.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I guess we confused each other then .

I understand you now :D... yes, you are free to follow whatever you want ;)... I just believe that religion regulates life and makes it easier.

Why do we need religion actually in order to have our life being regulated? Its not the first time I hear this argument, and I find it amazing, like without religion our life would turn into a total mess?

Having a regulated/decent/organized etc... life is not a question of religion, that depends on the very personality actually, and on the contrary living a life without any compulsary obligations and rituals allows you to have more personal freedom, and maybe see things in a perspective you wouldnt have seen, following some religious instructions.

So I dont see at all why religion shall interfer into the abortion issue, someone can well oppose abortion based on human rights arguments for example.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Stella

Why do we need religion actually in order to have our life being regulated? Its not the first time I hear this argument, and I find it amazing, like without religion our life would turn into a total mess?

Depends on the person. I believe that religion is very important; it makes your life much easier :)...

Having a regulated/decent/organized etc... life is not a question of religion, that depends on the very personality actually, and on the contrary living a life without any compulsary obligations and rituals allows you to have more personal freedom, and maybe see things in a perspective you wouldnt have seen, following some religious instructions.

"Having a regulated/decent/organized" life is just what religion creates. I like obligations and rituals Stella; very classy etiquettes ;)...

So I dont see at all why religion shall interfer into the abortion issue, someone can well oppose abortion based on human rights arguments for example

Because God creates life :)

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

"Having a regulated/decent/organized" life is just what religion creates. I like obligations and rituals Stella; very classy etiquettes ;)...

Hmm ok:D but I see it the opposite way, those rituals would just constrain my personal freedom and free will.

Because God creates life :)

Well basically I agree, but not in the form how many imply that. But I still dont find it a strong argument why the religion = the institution shall interfer to the question of abortion. For me religion and God are two separate things.

[DL]

I am against abortion in general but in some medical-life-threatening cases, abortion becomes OK I think!

If a woman gets pregnant because of a mistake, She AND he need to rise up to the responsibility.

If pregnancy happens because of a rape, then the baby should be treated as a gift. This baby should not be terminated because a certain demon wanted to satisfy his instict. This baby deserves every bit of right to have a life and a **** good one I would say regardless of the bad memories associated with his conception.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by DL

If pregnancy happens because of a rape, then the baby should be treated as a gift. This baby should not be terminated because a certain demon wanted to satisfy his instict. This baby deserves every bit of right to have a life and a **** good one I would say regardless of the bad memories associated with his conception.

As a man you can never experience what it is like being raped and having an unwanted child, who conceived in fear and hatred.
You shall not judge those women who out of various reasons dont want to keep a child conceived in rape.

[DL]

Originally Posted by Stella

As a man you can never experience what it is like being raped and having an unwanted child, who conceived in fear and hatred.
You shall not judge those women who out of various reasons dont want to keep a child conceived in rape.

I gave my own opinion, Stella! I am not judging anyone.

I believe in "Live and Let Live"... But this entitles me to my own opinions, No?