Are you with Abortion?

[Picasso]

Abortion after the 40 days is a crime as Xena said ! You don't have the right to choose! He has his independent life, you don't own his life, do you?

Xena but when i did my researches and watched videos about how it's done, etc.. i started to feel it's barbaric!! if only mothers knew that the unborn child is either decapitated, burn alive, or left to starve, i bet they would think twice before going through an abortion!!!

[Abu Ruman]

This is such a woman's issue, that I really dont have an opinion on it.

And for those with moral opposition to it, I would ask the very same individuals to examine their morality first.

[Xena]

Originally Posted by Stella

I wasnt aware of this, that religion is not condemning it before 40 days. And of course the sooner the better, why waiting months. And in case of a rape, ideally the woman shall go to see a doctor asap, and if theres a possiblity she shall see a psychologist as well.

actually religion allows another type of abortion as well... if the unborn will be retarded, has health problems (all kind of anomalies) . a woman can abort IF 3 different gynecologists assure her that there is no way this child will be "normal"...(case of a mongol child for exemple)

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

And for those with moral opposition to it, I would ask the very same individuals to examine their morality first.

i didn't get that part, could you please elaborate?!

[jbel el sawan]

I'm not here to judge who's with/against abortion. But since most of you don't know the opinion of the Church, please find below the Catechism of the Catholic Church about Abortion.It's a very critical subject and it has been in long debate since many years...It's not an easy decision at all. When you know how many couples are trying desperately to have a baby you'll realize the miracle of life.

Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence."82

2275 "One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival."83

"It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material."84

"Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity"85 which are unique and unrepeatable.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

What do you mean? Religion tells you not to have a child out of wedlock, and i believe this is better for the child himself. As for not getting married, religion doesn't tell you not to get married, it says the opposite "get married".

This time I didnt get you, what you mean here

I was referring to that religion has a pressuring way, it encourages you to get married and have children.
As for me, not religion will decide or affect if I will do any of these.

[Picasso]

Xena,

I don't know if you mentioned this before, but there is also another type of abortion allowed by religion when the mother has to choose between her life & his.

[Xena]

Originally Posted by Picasso

Xena,

I don't know if you mentioned this before, but there is also another type of abortion allowed by religion when the mother has to choose between her life & his.

yes, actually i went through that one as well!!

i was born on the 12th day of my mom's 10th month of pregnancy!!
and apparently i didn't want to be born :) so i put her life in danger and at the final moment at the hospital when my dad gave the green light (since my mom was unconscious) i changed my mind and decided to come out :p

so yes you're right that one is allowed too!!

[Faithful]

I am against abortion. It’s an act of killing. We are killing an innocent life who has the total right to live and is unable to protect herself.
I don’t know Xena from where did get your info about the 40 days, because what I learned is that the human life begins at the time of conception. Life is present from the moment of conception and we have no right to kill her.

Look what’s happening in the first 40 days:

1st. day: The first cell divides into two, the two into four, and so on.
5-9 days: The new person burrows into the wall of the womb. At this point the gender can be determined.
14 days: Mothers's menstrual period is supressed by a hormone produced by her baby.
18 days: Heart is forming; eyes developing.
20 days: Foundations of brain, spinal cord and nervous system are laid.
24 days: Heart begins to beat.
28 days: Muscles are developing along the future spine. Arms and legs are budding.
30 days: Baby has grown 10,000 times to 6-7mm. (1/4 in.) long. Brain has human proportions. Blood flows in veins (but stays separate from mother's blood).
35 days: Pituitary gland in brain is forming. Mouth, ears and nose are taking shape.
40 days: Heart's energy output is 20% of adult's.

Yes he is very small but he is alive from the first day. How can we end his life Even if my religion allows abortion , i will never do it.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by faithful

Yes he is very small but he is alive from the first day. How can we end his life Even if my religion allows abortion , i will never do it.

And what about the crime of rape? Would you still have the same opinion?

[Xena]

40 days in religion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...ortion_3.shtml

http://www.rcrc.org/perspectives/muslim.cfm

there's even scholars who would go up until 120 days!! but that's too much i guess!!

besides the first heart beat is during the 5th week (40 days)

source : http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/f...velopment1.php

i didnt say that before the 40 days the baby isn't being formed!!! but still not alive yet!! (first heart beat, first brain wave occur at 40 days)