Who believes in God in Europe?

[TripolySunni]

*{Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend anything out of His knowledge except what He pleases, His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of them both tires Him not, and He is the Most High, the Great.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:255)

[Salome]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

We Struggle (Jihad) To realise them, And if peace and Justice were Easy To attain it wouldn't have been called a Struggle.

practice shows so far it seems like an eternal struggle, when you will get there?

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Perfection is from Allah and the Quran, We apply it imperfectly simply because no one is perfect. Saudi and Iran are about Politics more so than religion.

Since humans are imperfect then doesnt it mean that not islam nor any religions can bring peace...just lets not use our imperfection as justification for our human rights abuses

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Salome

practice shows so far it seems like an eternal struggle, when you will get there?

That is Knowlege with Allah, we do not know the future But We Do our best and are at peace with ourselves.

Originally Posted by Salome

Since humans are imperfect then doesnt it mean that not islam nor any religions can bring peace...just lets not use our imperfection as justification for our human rights abuses

They Don't wanna apply it because it suits thier interests not to do so, The Religion is simple and can be easily integrated as everything is clear. Human rights abuses come from those Ignorants and specially those who mix thier customs and pre-Islamic habits with Islam or those who mix Some deranged western habits with islam, Such as not allowing women to work or get educated ect... Although the Prophet(PBUH) Himself Married a business Women. Anyhow This is the politics of the region.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Butchered by the Christians and later resurrected by the Muslims. Had it not been for Islam, there would've been zero democracy. Same applies to science.

and re-butchered by Islam, it seems Islam is a double edged sword, or maybe Islam has nothing to do with being democratic or not let alone Christianity for that matter.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I just love it when atheists claim their monopoly over science. Science wouldn't exist hadn't it been for Islamic scholars. Muslim scientists do not turn atheists because there is no clash between Islam and science. As if religious people haven't been to schools! The preacher at our local mosque is a microbiology professor. If you're talking church then that's another story.

everything with u boils down to religious roots hehe

'perfect'

hehehe

ok, the next time i want to build a space probe and send it to saturn i will consult with ur islamic scholars hehe

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Death is the only future you're certain of, so how can we not think about this beautiful future that awaits us? lol Whatever you do you're rotten in the end. But that doesn't mean you obsess about death. You just live a responsible rather than a careless life.

i'm not obssessing about death, theists are ;)

but u just like to shower me with assumptions..

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Why don't you Mr Phoenix explain what spiritual means? :D That's if you've thought about it.

i'll gladly explain, but first i need to figure out how to put the words Dalzi and spiritual in the same sentence

u just cherish attacking others hehe

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Says me yes of course. The never-ending line of divine Buddha makes sense? What about their temples and sacrifices? Why believe in Buddha and not in Jesus? As for atheism and spirituality, if you're spiritual that means you question the existence of a spirit, or no? What does spiritual mean?

spiritual means giving a moral easing depth to one's existence in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't have anything to do with spirits and death, but rather everything to do with moving ur consciousness from that of an emotional maniac or a cold blooded robot to that of big hearted open human at ease who has found his place and peace in this cosmos without worshiping stone gods in the process ;)

but i'm u sure missed the whole point of what i said here hehe

plus, i am talking about the spiritual side of buddihsm that i respect, not the religious one even if it's light on religion.

and i'm glad u asked, the moral story of jesus christ's life and death is a simplified and similar version to the essence of buddishm.

so i dont have anything against jesus's story, but i have a long list of issues against the church and islam, aka organized business religions hehe

anyhows, i'm glad that after countless new posts here we are still not progressing anywhere apart from ur endless sexy bashing sessions hehe

Peace

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

and re-butchered by Islam, it seems Islam is a double edged sword, or maybe Islam has nothing to do with being democratic or not let alone Christianity for that matter.

self criticism is not a property that everybody possesses

plus, debating religious ppl, especially really convinced ones with humility deficiency syndrome, is only good for fun if u are into bdsm fun that is hehe

and the world keeps turning..

:)

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I just love it when atheists claim their monopoly over science. Science wouldn't exist hadn't it been for Islamic scholars.

Pythagoras was born in 580 BC, that is around 1300 years before Islam, Archimedes 287 BC, these are the few I can remember now. For some people history started on Valentine's day of 2005 for some others with Islamic scholars, however fanatics have one thing in common: they're all boxed and refuse to think outside this box, which makes it hard for people who live outside their box to discuss with them.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

and re-butchered by Islam, it seems Islam is a double edged sword, or maybe Islam has nothing to do with being democratic or not let alone Christianity for that matter.

Democracy was not butchered by "Islam", Islam is still what it was like when it came and took Arabia from nothing to everything. What you have in the Arab world is not Islam, it's western imposed dictatorships that brought ignorance to the people and as a result we have what we have. Islam the knowledge and books is not Islamic regimes. They all violate for political purposes. There is nothing more just than Islam the religion. It's beautiful.

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Pythagoras was born in 580 BC, that is around 1300 years before Islam, Archimedes 287 BC, these are the few I can remember now. For some people history started on Valentine's day of 2005 for some others with Islamic scholars, however fanatics have one thing in common: they're all boxed and refuse to think outside this box, which makes it hard for people who live outside their box to discuss with them.

Where did I imply that people started loving each other when Valentino's mum gave birth to him? Knowledge has been passed down and we all know where it started, I didn't say otherwise. Point is, Islam not only stamped out paganism, but gave the Arabs the boost to take the knowledge from those before them and develop it while the world was sinking in ignorance. It did not come to take the people back, on the contrary, their nations flourished in science, art, literature, architecture...etc because of Islam. Speaking of Islam and science in an attempt to isolate the two is comical.

What's even more comical is how you immediately resort to the term "fanatic" when addressing someone who speaks of religion, especially when you're addressing me.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Democracy was not butchered by "Islam", Islam is still what it was like when it came and took Arabia from nothing to everything. What you have in the Arab world is not Islam, it's western imposed dictatorships that brought ignorance to the people and as a result we have what we have. Islam the knowledge and books is not Islamic regimes. They all violate for political purposes. There is nothing more just than Islam the religion. It's beautiful.

Where did I imply that people started loving each other when Valentino's mum gave birth to him? Knowledge has been passed down and we all know where it started, I didn't say otherwise. Point is, Islam not only stamped out paganism, but gave the Arabs the boost to take the knowledge from those before them and develop it while the world was sinking in ignorance. It did not come to take the people back, on the contrary, their nations flourished in science, art, literature, architecture...etc because of Islam. Speaking of Islam and science in an attempt to isolate the two is comical.

What's even more comical is how you immediately resort to the term "fanatic" when addressing someone who speaks of religion, especially when you're addressing me.

You clearly said that science wouldn't exist if it wasn't of Islam that's pure fanatism, and now you're changing to say that Islam came to build on the past etc. that's now what you said earlier; and it wasn't because of Islam that their nations flourished, it was because of the organization that their nations flourished, incidentally they happened to be muslims, big deal what does religion have to do with civilizations flourishing before and after islam, how can you justify the egyptians? how can you justify the greek? how can you justify the British? How can you justify the Americans? Nations flourish because of good management and methods to allocate wealth to the right place, it could be done because of a religious decree to allocate wealth which goes back to management or because of pure management that has nothing to do with religion to start with, but which some religions adopted as a means of life. If some religions have management in them it doesn't mean that you can't management and live your life and flourish without the religion, same as you don't religion to stop people from stealing.
Bottom line religion and way of life are two different things, mixing them together is for the easy minded, it makes his life easier, he doesn't have to think.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

everything with u boils down to religious roots hehe

'perfect'

hehehe

ok, the next time i want to build a space probe and send it to saturn i will consult with ur islamic scholars hehe

I'm not talking about the clergy, I'm talking about the scientists whom you had to consult to get to where you are now.

i'm not obssessing about death, theists are ;)

but u just like to shower me with assumptions..

Phoenix i didn't say that you obsess about death, i just asked you how you can not think of death. I could maybe call myself somehow religious without much practice lol, but I don't obsess about death, there's no need to. I'm just a bit more consciouse about what I do because I have some hopes for a good afterlife. 2oul Allah :D

i'll gladly explain, but first i need to figure out how to put the words Dalzi and spiritual in the same sentence

u just cherish attacking others hehe

First of all, what does being spiritual have to do with attacking others? I'm not a tree hugging hippie. Second, I'm not attacking you. Before you figure out how to put my nick and spiritual together, you should try figuring out why you read my posts as attacks when they're nothing but replies. Am I that aggressive?

spiritual means giving a moral easing depth to one's existence in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't have anything to do with spirits and death, but rather everything to do with moving ur consciousness from that of an emotional maniac or a cold blooded robot to that of big hearted open human at ease who has found his place and peace in this cosmos without worshiping stone gods in the process ;)

So looking your spirit in the face without recognizing it lol. Spiritual is not spirits and dead ghosts since it involves none but alive you and your inner energy = spirit ;)

but i'm u sure missed the whole point of what i said here hehe

plus, i am talking about the spiritual side of buddihsm that i respect, not the religious one even if it's light on religion.

The spiritual side of Buddhism is like any other spiritual side of anything :)

and i'm glad u asked, the moral story of jesus christ's life and death is a simplified and similar version to the essence of buddishm.

So, why does Buddhism appeal to you more than what Jesus came to give the world? Buddha a7san men Jesus? :D Forget about Churches, that's not Jesus and it has nothing to do with his teachings.

so i dont have anything against jesus's story, but i have a long list of issues against the church and islam, aka organized business religions hehe

I understand how the church is a corporate entity, but how's Islam the books or Christianity the books as such? To be just, you gotta put Churches with Muslim organizations, not with Islam the religion unless you're too influenced by what the Church has to say about Islam.

anyhows, i'm glad that after countless new posts here we are still not progressing anywhere apart from ur endless sexy bashing sessions hehe

Peace

Peace be upon you brethren