Who believes in God in Europe?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Salome

hehe why not TS, whenever someone talks about islam as something perfect I always wonder about the practical examples we have, and these are far from perfect...

One thing is to dream about peace and human rights and another is to realize them...

Perfection is from Allah and the Quran, We apply it imperfectly simply because no one is perfect. Saudi and Iran are about Politics more so than religion.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

by the greek to be specific and centuries before the the arabs, Islam and Christianity.

Butchered by the Christians and later resurrected by the Muslims. Had it not been for Islam, there would've been zero democracy. Same applies to science.

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

nothing is perfect

especially not democracy

but, u can believe what u want to :)

but i repeat what i said

it is a greek product

imperfect back then and still imperfect

You're comparing Greek democracy to that of Nahj Al Balagha (for example)? lol Imperfect when it comes to gay and lesbian rights (for example) yeah, other than that it's superb ;) But of course defining democracy cannot be objective, so it could be perfect to one while it's imperfect to another. I like apples, you like oranges...

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

So god isnt in the spiritual realm? He is something you can touch and feel and smell?

You Can Call it "anything" realm. But that's a waste of time in this discussion.

[Frisbeetarian]

Perfection is from Allah and the Quran, We apply it imperfectly simply because no one is perfect. Saudi and Iran are about Politics more so than religion.

Define being Perfect.

Butchered by the Christians and later resurrected by the Muslims. Had it not been for Islam, there would've been zero democracy. Same applies to science.

Can you provide clarification, explanations dotted with examples as to what you are refering to and what u are trying to suggest? There actually was democratic state to begin with, for christians to butcher.

You Can Call it "anything" realm. But that's a waste of time in this discussion.

So no you dont like to link god with spirituality?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Define being Perfect.

Perfect is Allah, He is the only one that as this attribute, He has 99 Names that Describe that.

[Frisbeetarian]

Perfect is Allah, He is the only one that as this attribute, He has 99 Names that Describe that.

What is being perfect?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

What is being perfect?

It is an attribute for Allah, being Perfect is being Allah. You May Need a Scholarly answer for this But I say Creating everything perfectly the way he wants is an example or appliying perfect Justice.

As I said the 99 names describe this one to a great extent. Such as being The Mercyful, meaning the epitome of mercy and none are more mercyful than he is.

[TripolySunni]

Either a Slave for Allah or a Slave for your worldly desires, you pick. (could be a slave to Hariri even, not recommended).

[Frisbeetarian]

It is an attribute for Allah, being Perfect is being Allah. You May Need a Scholarly answer for this But I say Creating everything perfectly the way he wants is an example or appliying perfect Justice.

As I said the 99 names describe this one to a great extent. Such as being The Mercyful, meaning the epitome of mercy and none are more mercyful than he is.

So one needs these 99 surnames to be ordaned perfect? If so, and upon closer scrutany of the attributes, havent you noticed that perfect = everything - imperfect?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

So one needs these 99 surnames to be ordaned perfect? If so, and upon closer scrutany of the attributes, havent you noticed that perfect = everything - imperfect?

At the end of the Day everything came from God, He Created eveything Including Satan to play thier Roles perfectly as were intended.
So He is perfect in His Mercy and perfect in his Justice and perfect in his Judgement and perfect in his Knowlege.