Who believes in God in Europe?

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

I Know it has nothing to do with a Specific religion, The people have decided to head for mass Self-destruction. I Believe Islam can Stop this, you believe Atheism can Slow this down. Since we have a common goal which is to stop this self-destruction Let's work together then.

it doesnt work that way my friend

i can have common goals with a spiritual only religion, not with a world based religion.

i refuse the laws of religions, and islam got a lot of those.

atheism is a goal for me but it's unattainable for the masses

plus atheism should go hand in hand with a rise in global human/cosmic spiritualism.

i thought about this b4, and the only religion i have something spiritual in common with is buddhism

;)

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

I actually ment that the dissolution of Monarchies will lead to doom. Im pro-monarchy system of rule

yeah thats better for non-enlightened people who are not able to act responsible...

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I dont get how islam would halt self-destruction, you mean we need religious police to control your every second? It is not even proven that any religion would save you from self destruction.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Very religious, not just religious :D The foundations of democracy were laid down by the Arabs 1400+ years ago, monarchies are an abomination to religion, and churches like monarchies were created for power over the weak needy and poor. When you talk God, you talk equality among humans; kings, queens, and gold plated clergy go in the bin.

democracy is a greek product

it was imperfect back then and it still is

but it's still better than some others options..

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Salome

yeah thats better for non-enlightened people who are not able to act responsible...

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I dont get how islam would halt self-destruction, you mean we need religious police to control your every second? It is not even proven that any religion would save you from self destruction.

Islam Has Rules for everything, From Abolishing Racism to Anti-Consumerism...For example the Cola company wants you to buy a Cola so that you can be happy, Basically they need you to be sad in orderto acheive temporary happiness by buying a Cola, However a Muslim says L7amdulillah if he has one and if he doesn't he also says L7amdulillah, Spiritual peace Long lasting happiness unlike anything ephemeral. So Islam is an Ideological enemy of consumerism.
The Message is Peace and mercy.

And please don't start with Saudi or Iran, I don't care what they do.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

it doesnt work that way my friend

i can have common goals with a spiritual only religion, not with a world based religion.

i refuse the laws of religions, and islam got a lot of those.

atheism is a goal for me but it's unattainable for the masses

plus atheism should go hand in hand with a rise in global human/cosmic spiritualism.

i thought about this b4, and the only religion i have something spiritual in common with is buddhism

;)

One of the reasons why people believe they are atheists isn't because they don't within themselves at least at times believe that there is a God, rather it's rebellion against laws they can't confine themselves to.

Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a way of life. Spiritual means spirit which means God. Buddhists don't know what they're on about. And atheism stops at matter, no spirituality whatsoever.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

democracy is a greek product

it was imperfect back then and it still is

but it's still better than some others options..

Democracy was perfected in Islamic books over 1400 years ago.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

One of the reasons why people believe they are atheists isn't because they don't within themselves at least at times believe that there is a God, rather it's rebellion against laws they can't confine themselves to.

but i don't care about that, cuz it doesn't apply to me.

u are talking about religious rebels turned atheists.

i'm talking about scientific ppl, ahla wou sahlah hehe

Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a way of life.

it depends on who is looking, but ya, they don't have a god and it's more about living than obsessing about death, so ya u can say it's more of a way of life hehe

Spiritual means spirit which means God.

no

shou hal kindergarten word logic? hehe

Buddhists don't know what they're on about.

says u ;)

And atheism stops at matter, no spirituality whatsoever.

says u also ;)

the world is a big place, a bit of humility can get ppl far in life..

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Democracy was perfected in Islamic books over 1400 years ago.

nothing is perfect

especially not democracy

but, u can believe what u want to :)

but i repeat what i said

it is a greek product

imperfect back then and still imperfect

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

nothing is perfect

especially not democracy

but, u can believe what u want to :)

but i repeat what i said

it is a greek product

imperfect back then and still imperfect

Islam is all about Humility.

Not in the modern sense, "Democracy" in Islam is basically asking people for thier opinions and taking those into consideration. In Islam the word for this is "Shura" and Allah has complimented this concept in his book. The First thing the Muslims did after the death of thier prophet(PBUH) was elections. And if they had ballot boxes at the time they surely would have used those.

[Frisbeetarian]

yeah thats better for non-enlightened people who are not able to act responsible...

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I dont get how islam would halt self-destruction, you mean we need religious police to control your every second? It is not even proven that any religion would save you from self destruction.

Aaaah now i understand what you and Dalzi mean. Your conjoining Monarchies with beligerent religious foundations. Very wrong.

Actually in order for a monarchy to properly function it needs but the sole, unprovoqued authority of the king to guide it. While religion can be used by the King to propagate civil unity, it does not mean that being religious is a necessity. Yet i do admit that such principles and such state of being is not very logical. Because when establishing a monarchy a king needs an instrument with which to guide the local populace and to tame it. That instrument is religion. Yet the monarchy im talking about leaves the populace free to handle its everyday life with the exception of political decisions regarding the state and its security and its handling off limits. To acquire this, you need either one of two things:

-Force(quick)
-Social breeding, through appropriate educational facilities(takes a long time)

This system of rule is not only constrained to guiding simple minded folks. Remind yourselves that even Aristotle bested it as the appropriate system of rule. It is a system which safeguards the state under an enlightened and qualified despot, and preserves its integrity and maintains its defences in confrontation of external threats. Remind yourselves that the encyclopedists and the "L'age des lumieres" all blossomed under despots. Even the most ardent of the encyclopedists argued against the revolution and for the institution of an enlightened despot.