What kind of cage is your mind living in ?

[Kasparov]

Lets assume that you, the reader, were born for a family in an unknown island out there .

As you grow up, your parents teach you many things, they teach you that the island you are living on is created by "Samurai", a powerful creature who is the God of earth, while "BoBo" created all the water around you, he is the God of Water, BoBo and Samurai dont like each other, sometimes Samurai strikes BoBo with lightining, and sometimes BoBo makes Samurai cry with rain and sends him hurricans . according to the holy island book, you must worship Samurai because he gave you life and is protecting you from BoBo, if you do so, when you die you will get whatever you want in a place called heaven, while if you disobey BoBo he will strike you and send you to a place called hell .

One day you see something coming from far away... something big.. you look closely and you notice its a strange creature approaching your island.. you inform your parents, is it a monster you wonder ? it looks like a floating plate, with trees on it...as it comes closer and reaches the shore, the island is ready to defend it self... people all go pray for Samurai to strike that creature, but nothing happens, the sun keeps shining.. and the creature reaches the shore.. and to your surprise, some people come of that creature, dressing weird... the people at your island attack them, but suddenly a guy points a stick at one of the islanders and strikes him down with fire ! that is definatly BoBo ... BoBo has sent demons in the shape of people to kill you all, what should u do ? pray for BoBo, BoBo might save you from this mess IF YOU BELIEVE in him .

As you can see, the story above is not far from what most people experience, all of us were raised on different belief's, Muslims were taught that mohammad is the prophet, christians were taught that Jesus is the savior, Jews are taught they are the selected people of God, and since we learn this stuff at young age, it is considered "Brainwashing", and brainwashing is very hard to get rid of, thats why we see most people stick to the myth they were taught as young people .

I ask christians in this forum, if you were born muslims, do you think you would have changed when you grew up ? and I ask the same same question to Muslims , if you were born christians, would u have believed in mohammad ?

The guy in the story lived all his life in a cage, in fear of something that doesn't exist, the religious thoughts on that island made people stay primitive, and they were conquered by the stronger . people in the past believed in miracles, they believed in Gods, a God, super forces, fairy tales, now we live in a time were science has proven many things wrong and showed us that humans have the biggest gift on earth, The Human Brain .

We are all living in some type of cage, two questions I ask, what Cage are you living in dear reader, and are you ready to pass this cage to your children ?

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by Kasparov

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We are all living in some type of cage, two questions I ask, what Cage are you living in dear reader, and are you ready to pass this cage to your children ?

i wont do it never.....i prefer to die

[Kasparov]

Originally Posted by Omeros

i wont do it never.....i prefer to die

Most people do it, how will society change if people don't change that practice ?

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Kasparov

As you grow up, your parents teach you many things, they teach you that the island you are living on is created by "Samurai", a powerful creature who is the God of earth, while "BoBo" created all the water around you, he is the God of Water, BoBo and Samurai dont like each other, sometimes Samurai strikes BoBo with lightining, and sometimes BoBo makes Samurai cry with rain and sends him hurricans . according to the holy island book, you must worship Samurai because he gave you life and is protecting you from BoBo, if you do so, when you die you will get whatever you want in a place called heaven, while if you disobey BoBo he will strike you and send you to a place called hell .

This is exactly what used to happen in the old times.. replace Samurai with Aphrodite (Goddess of love and beauty in the Greek Mythodology), and replace Bobo with Ares (God of war, vengeance, anger in Greek Mythodology), and voila, this what people used to believe in!

Nowadays, we mock them, we mock how they used to believe in many gods! But hey.. these people really believed in there gods, just as people believe in God now.. who knows 2000 years from now who's gonna read our "mythodology" and mock us..

what should u do ? pray for BoBo, BoBo might save you from this mess IF YOU BELIEVE in him .

Same story.. This is how all theistic religions used to spread: "we will grant you heaven IF you believe in our savior or our prophet!"

We are all living in some type of cage, two questions I ask, what Cage are you living in dear reader, and are you ready to pass this cage to your children ?

I will show them both: the cage.. or cages (we have a lot of these) and its opposite (unlike what people do). It's up for them to decide.

[Order]

we don't just live in a cage we also live in a state of denial
knowledge is the light
if you don't know something or can't believe in it
when we are born Muslims or Christians or boudists or stupid we get what our parents society and culture give us
we can be satisfied with all what we were teached by the others and don't search to know more to seek for the knowledge to discover the different and to learn what we don't know

it's up to us to go and discover what their is on the other side.
because When we get the access to knowledge some can use it and some prefer to ignore it and stay in their state of denial they are living in

and when we learn it all depends on how we analyze what we learned cause we can learn but sometimes we can have different interpretation of what we learned and depending on that we have different opinions

for example you see that that in the past and still now in some countries, the political commanders and kings commanding the countries deny the citizens from getting an education. or give them a directed education. in this way you give to people what you want and you make them believe what you say because they don't have any reference to anything other then that
and by this way it is easier to command them and rule them without much effort.
Most of the revolutions were done by men who got access to the knowledge and discovered the other thing then what they were living

personally i am someone who live in a constant need to know more to find more to learn more. i try to learn about any religion to read more about my own religion as many events that occurred where hidden or just not said

for my children i think that i'll try to do with them the values that my parents gave me and give them a full access to knowledge and giving them the choice to be what they find it suite them best

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by Osiris

This is exactly what used to happen in the old times.. replace Samurai with Aphrodite (Goddess of love and beauty in the Greek Mythodology), and replace Bobo with Ares (God of war, vengeance, anger in Greek Mythodology), and voila, this what people used to believe in!

osiris u have to know smtgh that human being doesnt change maybe the brain will grow up but god and ethics wont ever change

I will show them both: the cage.. or cages (we have a lot of these) and its opposite (unlike what people do). It's up for them to decide.

cest la nouvelle methode pedagogique :) but they wont be able 2 take a decision if u didnt put them in front of the reality :)

[Stella]

Our ever higher consciousness allows people to be more aware and to be able to think out of the box.

Of course free thinkers existed always, but it was not that common in the past, when people were guided by their community`s rules.

Ever more people have individualism and free will, and can decide on their own, but this requires a certain standard of living and a level of development.

[4U2IMI8]

I ask christians in this forum, if you were born muslims, do you think you would have changed when you grew up ? and I ask the same same question to Muslims , if you were born christians, would u have believed in mohammad ?

The guy in the story lived all his life in a cage, in fear of something that doesn't exist, the religious thoughts on that island made people stay primitive, and they were conquered by the stronger . people in the past believed in miracles, they believed in Gods, a God, super forces, fairy tales, now we live in a time were science has proven many things wrong and showed us that humans have the biggest gift on earth, The Human Brain .

We are all living in some type of cage, two questions I ask, what Cage are you living in dear reader, and are you ready to pass this cage to your children ?

Your analogy assumes naivety on the part of "people". Your assumption that we're blindly guided by pre-instilled pre-programmed ideas, beliefs, fears, and conclusions is negated by yourself through your thread itself.
You, as a human, grew up just like the rest of us with the same preconditioning required to mature. Your thread shows that you expanded your horizon to escape the common beliefs and not only to question them, but also to find alternatives more to your liking logical frame of thinking.
The fact that respect, and acceptance of other religions and none religions by the majority of people negates your theory. This tolerance was non existent few hundred years ago.
This proves that as more knowledge is accumulated by mankind, the more questions are asked, and the more challenges to pre-set ideas will occur.
Jumping between religions and non-religion is a daily occurrence in the mind of many of us. Daily life makes us face challenges that allow us to question our existence, our origin, and mainly our purpose. These questions eventually will lead to the ultimate freedom by the majority to make their own choices without the fear of social retaliations.

[Omeros]

Your analogy assumes naivety on the part of "people". Your assumption that we're blindly guided by pre-instilled pre-programmed ideas, beliefs, fears, and conclusions is negated by yourself through your thread itself.

first of all, your analogie assumes naivety too, cz u dnt have the right to judge someone via a forum or a post ......
and yes ...yes honey ....we are pre-programmed
on a des idees depuis notre premier jours dans se monde on a des moraux notre facon de vivre on l'a prend de notre parent meme notre facon de choisir les robes ou les jeanz et cela en ai justifier par la psychologie moderne ...le chapitre est nomme : l'influence de la societe sur notre personalite
si tu nie cela alors comment il y a des aides-memoire dans la societe ...
tu sais que notre memoire se trouve dans la societe et on a que des references dans notre cervaux ( vous pouvez revenir a la theorie des phenomenologue)

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Omeros

first of all, your analogie assumes naivety too, cz u dnt have the right to judge someone via a forum or a post ......
and yes ...yes honey ....we are pre-programmed
on a des idees depuis notre premier jours dans se monde on a des moraux notre facon de vivre on l'a prend de notre parent meme notre facon de choisir les robes ou les jeanz et cela en ai justifier par la psychologie moderne ...le chapitre est nomme : l'influence de la societe sur notre personalite
si tu nie cela alors comment il y a des aides-memoire dans la societe ...
tu sais que notre memoire se trouve dans la societe et on a que des references dans notre cervaux ( vous pouvez revenir a la theorie des phenomenologue)

I did not judge, I simply explained that eventually the accumulation of knowledge allows a person to escape the pre-progam instilled by parents, culture, society, etc. Once a person starts to challenge the pre-notion learnings, the person starts to write his/her own program for belief. Either he/she augmuents the belief he/she already has, or looks for another more suitable for his new "program".