Sexual Education

[Ptah]

Originally Posted by Salome

Do you have röntgen eyes to see who is religious here or not? Can you tell where I belong?

I read another "religious" thread and concluded who is rational and who is not.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Ptah

I read another "religious" thread and concluded who is rational and who is not.

The thing is, the "religious" don't worry about the sh*** you put yourselves in coz they won't throw themselves in sh*** especially at the age of 10. So, to us, science gives all the education you need while religion saves you doctors and shrinks. I don't need to teach my 10 year old "how to practice safe sex" coz he/she won't be having sex at that age. Maybe you should give dumb kids some more "religious" classes so that they'd know how not to be weak enough to send themselves to misery.

Shalom.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Well kids is quiet a vague word to be used without specifying its meaning. If you mean by kids 6 - 10 year olds, then yes I agree with you it is early for them to learn about sex. But anything older than that fits already the proper age for sexual communication.

No way!!!!What do you want from a 11-12 year old kid, to learn about sex??
That one-occassion-info day at school what I mentioned is more than enough, and not before the age of 12.

Where would this world go if we start educating 10 year olds about sex??

I firmly believe everything falls on how the parents discipline the kids. A proper discipline wont lead to teenage disease or pregnancy. Of course if you behave like hippis with your kid, then you can not expect anything better in return:D

Proper sexual education must prevent sexual complexes and the endless appointments at the shrink.

aha so being a transvestite/gay, pedophil etc.. was all just a matter of not getting a proper sexual education? I still think for them theres the psychologist.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by Salome

No way!!!!What do you want from a 11-12 year old kid, to learn about sex??
That one-occassion-info day at school what I mentioned is more than enough, and not before the age of 12.

Where would this world go if we start educating 10 year olds about sex??

I firmly believe everything falls on how the parents discipline the kids. A proper discipline wont lead to teenage disease or pregnancy. Of course if you behave like hippis with your kid, then you can not expect anything better in return:D

You would be amazed what some 11 or 12 years old know. The thing is, that there is no rule about it. Some kids learn about sex at an earlier age than others. You just have to observe your kids well and start to learn the changes in them. The day you see that the theme SEX is somewhere in their little brain, it is the time when you should start interfering in a soft and nice way. It can be at 11, at 12 or even at 18. Each case is different and as I said there is no rule.

Originally Posted by Salome

aha so being a transvestite/gay, pedophil etc.. was all just a matter of not getting a proper sexual education? I still think for them theres the psychologist.

Most studies show that sexual complexes in adulthood have a base somehwere in the childhood. Once an adult and you present some kind of sexual complex, then it is too late for you and your solution is the shrink, if not worse.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Ptah

I read another "religious" thread and concluded who is rational and who is not.

You are funny, you bear here the ultimate judgment?:D

Originally Posted by GMA forever

You would be amazed what some 11 or 12 years old know. The thing is, that there is no rule about it. Some kids learn about sex at an earlier age than others. You just have to observe your kids well and start to learn the changes in them. The day you see that the theme SEX is somewhere in their little brain, it is the time when you should start interfering in a soft and nice way. It can be at 11, at 12 or even at 18. Each case is different and as I said there is no rule.

You talk about individual cases however you would approove an institutionalized form of education? There is a small contradiction here, so we come back indeed to the parents in the end.

Of course if you want to enlighten your kid right away for the first sign of sexual awakening its your right, but then you have to bear the responsibility for fastening his awakening thus pushing him toward an early adulthood.

So I totally disagree with you, you are the adult and you shall take the leading role, and bear responsibility over your kids' acts too. It all falls on you, the discipline you give to the kid, how it will shape him. Till they are minors, you choose their way, their environment and their education, and not the other way round.

Most studies show that sexual complexes in adulthood have a base somehwere in the childhood. Once an adult and you present some kind of sexual complex, then it is too late for you and your solution is the shrink, if not worse.

lol can you just repeat it and much slower?:D

Dont know, you say a pedophil became a pedophil because he didnt get enough sexual education? Not because he was not 100% mentally?

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Proper sexual education must prevent sexual complexes and the endless appointments at the shrink.

Sexual classes don't prevent from anything. UK has sexual education classes and teenagers girls get pregnant all the time. USA has sexual classes and the age of the first sexual experience is becoming lower and lower.

Originally Posted by Ptah

I read another "religious" thread and concluded who is rational and who is not.

Very wise remark. So you jugde members according to their religious beliefs. As you wish.

Originally Posted by GMA forever

The day you see that the theme SEX is somewhere in their little brain, it is the time when you should start interfering in a soft and nice way. It can be at 11, at 12 or even at 18. Each case is different and as I said there is no rule.

When children are 10, 11 or 12 years old, they feel their first innocent passions. Usually they fall in love with actors or handsome neighbours, etc. Well that's normal. But you won't get close to your child and tell her "You find your neighbour a handsome young man? Well... then let me tell you what can happen between you and him."... That's HORRIBLE! You won't have an innocent child anymore.

Most studies show that sexual complexes in adulthood have a base somehwere in the childhood. Once an adult and you present some kind of sexual complex, then it is too late for you and your solution is the shrink, if not worse.

What children need is to be loved and protected by their own parents. Children have to know that mom and dad are there for them and they will protect them from evilness. Parents should always explain to their children that their body is a precious thing that others shouldn't touch. There are touchable and untouchable parts of a body. Mom and dad (and grandparents) can touch the hair, the hands, the arms of their child. A close friend (from the same age of the child) can touch her on the face or hands. And a stranger adult can't touch them anywhere. That's all you have to teach them.

[Salome]

Interesting this idea, to teach the kids where to touch. Its good if its working positively, like not creating taboos for the kid by which they would be just tempted more later, or not creating any complexes.

Its hard to find the balance actually, but there shall be a bottom line about no sexual education for small kids, certainly not institutionalized.

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by Salome

Interesting this idea, to teach the kids where to touch. Its good if its working positively, like not creating taboos for the kid by which they would be just tempted more later, or not creating any complexes.

Yes, I agree. Parents shouldn't teach to their children to run from every physical contact, but they should know that not even the sweet and kind man who happens to be a friend of dad can touch them if the parents are not present.
Children have to know that Love and affection come from the soul, from the heart, from words and gestures. Real Love from others doesn't come by giving kisses.
Do sexual education classes teach this? No. Then they are not needed, IMO.

[CPL]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

The thing is, the "religious" don't worry about the sh*** you put yourselves in coz they won't throw themselves in sh*** especially at the age of 10. So, to us, science gives all the education you need while religion saves you doctors and shrinks. I don't need to teach my 10 year old "how to practice safe sex" coz he/she won't be having sex at that age. Maybe you should give dumb kids some more "religious" classes so that they'd know how not to be weak enough to send themselves to misery.

Shalom.

But religion is not the basis of morality. The same moral principle can apply to someone who is not religious, and to his child.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by CPL

But religion is not the basis of morality. The same moral principle can apply to someone who is not religious, and to his child.

Yes, I completely agree.

However, I was addressing 'yalle ma 3ajabo' how the "religious" (assuming we might fall into that category ) are responding. Thought he might need to remember a couple of things...