The return of Al-Mahdi

[jisalo]

I have noticed lately an increasing level of criticism to some Shiaa beliefs regarding the Wilayat al Fakih issue. In no way I pretend to have the privilege of defending the Shiaa but neveretheless a simple reading of the beliefs of other religious groups would prove that their followers are as well waiting for the return of a religious figure that would change somehow the world.

A- I will start by the Christians who believe that Jesus Shall return and the bible describes some signs that precede this coming as for instance the two below verses of Matthew:
[Mt 24:3] As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
[Mt 24:30] "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

B- As for the Jews, they are still awaiting for Jesus or the Messiah. And they strongly believe that his coming is conditioned by the presence of a Temple which made them recently start digging eagerly around the foundations of Al Aqsa Mosk in the hope of rising the demolished Temple.

C- As for the Druze, they believe that Hamza (some say Al Hakem b'amr allah) who disapeared in the desert will re-appear in China (some say not the present China) as a conqueror and will lead his followers to victory and glory. And they believe as one thousand years have passed by for his disapearance another thousands of years will follow before his re-appearance. (Amine Taliaa - Assl Al Mouwahidyne Al Dourouz pp: 101-104) (Churchul - the Druze and the Maronites pp:10-11).

D- As for the Shiaa, the main topic of this thread, they believe that their 12th Imam Mouhamad Al Mahdi who has disapeared in 878 AD will reappear at the end of time and bestow justice and happiness in the whole univers not only on earth. And they believe, mainly in Iran, that there are signs that prove we are now living the time of his reappearance and that President Ahmadi Najad is the leader of his army and the revolution leader is the holder of his banner. I will list as briefly as possible those 17 signs:

1- The major first sign is the gathering of the Jews in Palestian. And they back this sign by the Quranic verse of al Issra' 4-5-6-7

2- A man get out of Qoum. They believe that this sign applies on the Imam Al Khoumeiny who get out of Qoum to lead the revolution in 1962. The story of this sign is mentionned in Al Bihar V6 pp:296.

3- Military and media power that would precede the Imam appearance. This sign is refered to in the writings of Imam Al Sadek - Rawdat Al Kafi: " followers will be sent by God before the re-appearance so they will fight any enemy of Mohamad ". They comment that the fighting of HA in Lebanon against the Jews is a major indicator that the revelation of Al Mahdi is very soon.

4- The founding of an Islamic republic in Iran would pave the way for the Imam state.

5- The descendants of the prophet will fight the enemies of the awaited Imam: like Al Sayyed Al Khoumeiny and Khamenei in Iran, the martyr Mohamad Baker Al Saer, Mohamad Sadek Al Sadr, Abdel Aziz Al Sisstani and Moqtada Al Sadr in Iraq, as for Lebanon Al Sayyed Moussa Al Sadr, Abbas Al Moussaoui and Hassan Nassrallah.

6- A party fighting on the doorsteps of Jerusalem.

7-The occupation of Iraq by foreign forces: " The arrival of western forces to be positionned in Al Hira " written in Al Irshad p:336 and Al Bihar 52 p:214.

8- The killing of a chaste figure in Al Najaf along with 70 virtuous followers: the assassination of Al Sayyed Mohamad Bakr Al Hakim in Najaf and 70 other after the friday prayer.

9- The moving of the education center from Najaf to Qoum: After the many persecutions against the shiite schoolars by Saddam Houssein in Najaf they moved to Qoum.

10- The rise of an islamic authority in Iraq loyal to Iran.

11- The fear from diseases, earthquake and hurricanes before the appearance: Al Imam Al Bakr states:" Al Mahdi will only appear after a great fear and diseases".
Examples: Tsounami, SARS...

12- The entry of a comet in the earth orbit: in June 2005 the Gardian newspaper and Nasa discovered a comet called Apophis that is expected to hit earth.

13- The qualiies of Al Kharassani matche those of Al Kamenei.
And they cite the resemblance between the two persons.

14- Shouaib Bin Saleh is Ahmadi Najad nicknamed Al Shaabi Al Saleh Mardomyar.
And they cite the resemblance between the two persons. This Shouaib Bin Saleh will be the head of Al Mahdi Army.

15- Al Safyyani the enemy of Al Mahdi will lead a successful coup in Damascus: 6 months before the appearance a military coup in Syria will bring to power an agent for USA and Israel nicknamed Al Safyyani.

16 and 17- The cry of a chaste soul: Al Mahdi won't appear till a chaste soul named Mohamad is killed in Al qaaba and his a descendant of Al Hassan.

jihad salloum

[mehdi soldier]

Originally Posted by jisalo

I have noticed lately an increasing level of criticism to some Shiaa beliefs regarding the Wilayat al Fakih issue. In no way I pretend to have the privilege of defending the Shiaa but neveretheless a simple reading of the beliefs of other religious groups would prove that their followers are as well waiting for the return of a religious figure that would change somehow the world.
1- I will start by the Christians who believe that Jesus Shall return and the bible describes some signs that precede this coming as for instance the two below verses of Matthew:
[Mt 24:3] As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
[Mt 24:30] "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
2- As for the Jews, they are still awaiting for Jesus or the Messiah. And they strongly believe that his coming is conditioned by the presence of a Temple which made them recently start digging eagerly around the foundations of Al Aqsa Mosk in the hope of rising the demolished Temple.
3- As for the Druze, they believe that Hamza (some say Al Hakem b'amr allah) who disapeared in the desert will re-appear in China (some say not the present China) as a conqueror and will lead his followers to victory and glory. And they believe as one thousand years have passed by for his disapearance another thousands of years will follow before his re-appearance. (Amine Taliaa - Assl Al Mouwahidyne Al Dourouz pp: 101-104) (Churchul - the Druze and the Maronites pp:10-11).
4- As for the Shiaa, the main topic of this thread, they believe that their 12th Imam Mouhamad Al Mahdi who has disapeared in 878 AD will reappear at the end of time and bestow justice and happiness in the whole univers not only on earth. And they believe, mainly in Iran, that there are signs that prove we are now living the time of his reappearance and that President Ahmadi Najad is the leader of his army and the revolution leader is the holder of his banner. I will list as briefly as possible those 17 signs:
1- The major first sign is the gathering of the Jews in Palestian. And they back this sign by the Quranic verse of al Issra' 4-5-6-7
2- A man get out of Qoum. They believe that this sign applies on the Imam Al Khoumeiny who get out of Qoum to lead the revolution in 1962. The story of this sign is mentionned in Al Bihar V6 pp:296.
3- Military and media power that would precede the Imam appearance. This sign is refered to in the writings of Imam Al Sadek - Rawdat Al Kafi: " followers will be sent by God before the re-appearance so they will fight any enemy of Mohamad ". They comment that the fighting of HA in Lebanon against the Jews is a major indicator that the revelation of Al Mahdi is very soon.
4- The founding of an Islamic republic in Iran would pave the way for the Imam state.
5- The descendants of the prophet will fight the enemies of the awaited Imam: like Al Sayyed Al Khoumeiny and Khamenei in Iran, the martyr Mohamad Baker Al Saer, Mohamad Sadek Al Sadr, Abdel Aziz Al Sisstani and Moqtada Al Sadr in Iraq, as for Lebanon Al Sayyed Moussa Al Sadr, Abbas Al Moussaoui and Hassan Nassrallah.
6- A party fighting on the doorsteps of Jerusalem.
7-The occupation of Iraq by foreign forces: " The arrival of western forces to be positionned in Al Hira " written in Al Irshad p:336 and Al Bihar 52 p:214.
8- The killing of a chaste figure in Al Najaf along with 70 virtuous followers: the assassination of Al Sayyed Mohamad Bakr Al Hakim in Najaf and 70 other after the friday prayer.
9- The moving of the education center from Najaf to Qoum: After the many persecutions against the shiite schoolars by Saddam Houssein in Najaf they moved to Qoum.
10- The rise of an islamic authority in Iraq loyal to Iran.
11- The fear from diseases, earthquake and hurricanes before the appearance: Al Imam Al Bakr states:" Al Mahdi will only appear after a great fear and diseases".
Examples: Tsounami, SARS...
12- The entry of a comet in the earth orbit: in June 2005 the Gardian newspaper and Nasa discovered a comet called Apophis that is expected to hit earth.
13- The qualiies of Al Kharassani matche those of Al Kamenei.
And they cite the resemblance between the two persons.
14- Shouaib Bin Saleh is Ahmadi Najad nicknamed Al Shaabi Al Saleh Mardomyar.
And they cite the resemblance between the two persons. This Shouaib Bin Saleh will be the head of Al Mahdi Army.
15- Al Safyyani the enemy of Al Mahdi will lead a successful coup in Damascus: 6 months before the appearance a military coup in Syria will bring to power an agent for USA and Israel nicknamed Al Safyyani.
16 and 17- The cry of a chaste soul: Al Mahdi won't appear till a chaste soul named Mohamad is killed in Al qaaba and his a descendant of Al Hassan.

jihad salloum

firstly yes every religion expects a man who wil come for justice to prevail.just a point of correction,the muslims generally (sunnis and shia) believe in the awaited mehdi.they have some common attributes and qualities regarding him.for example both believe that he is a descendant of imam ali.the only difference between sunnis and shia regarding him is the latter believe he has already being born and is in occultation while sunnis believe he will be born in the future.the difference is also as a result of the sunnis lack of believe in imamate.rather they believe in worldly caliphs (i.e. men with political power and not necessarily also spiritual leaders).

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

In any case I have a request for more information.

I noticed that between members of the Shiite sect on this forum, there seem to be different interpretations for what the wilaya is and what it exactly means... Some see it purely spiritual while other give it more of a political note.

Do these interpretations we see on the forum belong to certain school of thoughts? Or are they simple member interpretations?

[alid]

Originally Posted by mehdi soldier

firstly yes every religion expects a man who wil come for justice to prevail.just a point of correction,the muslims generally (sunnis and shia) believe in the awaited mehdi.they have some common attributes and qualities regarding him.for example both believe that he is a descendant of imam ali.the only difference between sunnis and shia regarding him is the latter believe he has already being born and is in occultation while sunnis believe he will be born in the future.the difference is also as a result of the sunnis lack of believe in imamate.rather they believe in worldly caliphs (i.e. men with political power and not necessarily also spiritual leaders).

1)As far as i have been told , sunnis believe in the re-appearance of Jesus or prophet Isa (according to their belief)

2)sunnis believe in the qoran and what mohammed told his followers and they don't believe in caliphs. They mention the followers of mohamed including his family and the 4 caliphs that ruled after him, and they rely on the sayings of his followers also on sayings of members of his family

3)sunnis have respect prophet family and their descendants and they only believe in god as the only power...

[mehdi soldier]

Originally Posted by alid

1)As far as i have been told , sunnis believe in the re-appearance of Jesus or
prophet Isa (according to their belief)

2)sunnis believe in the qoran and what mohammed told his followers and they
don't believe in caliphs. They mention the followers of mohamed including
his family and the 4 caliphs that ruled after him, and they rely on the
sayings of his followers also on sayings of members of his family

3)sunnis have respect prophet family and their descendants and they only
believe in god as the only power...

no.the sunnis like the shia believe in a man called the mahdi who is a descendant of prophet muhamad (sa).the only difference is the latter believe he has already being born.

muslims differ from christians in that muslims believe both prophet isa (jesus) and the mahdi will come.

concerning the jews,they dont believe at all that jesus,son of mary,is the messiah.they are still expecting that messiah of theirs.

[mehdi soldier]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

In any case I have a request for more information.

I noticed that between members of the Shiite sect on this forum, there seem to be different interpretations for what the wilaya is and what it exactly means... Some see it purely spiritual while other give it more of a political note.

Do these interpretations we see on the forum belong to certain school of thoughts? Or are they simple member interpretations?

[] .i dont see any discrepancies.the different contributions are like parts of a whole.each is contributing a little bit in shiite islam.if you find any contradiction please state it,i will clear it.

there is nothing like "schoold of thought" within shia islam itself.some might contribute politically concerning the mahdi,while others would spiritually.they are all together.

[basma88]

Originally Posted by mehdi soldier

no.the sunnis like the shia believe in a man called the mahdi who is a descendant of prophet muhamad (sa).the only difference is the latter believe he has already being born.

muslims differ from christians in that muslims believe both prophet isa (jesus) and the mahdi will come.

concerning the jews,they dont believe at all that jesus,son of mary,is the messiah.they are still expecting that messiah of theirs.

Actually if you read the sunnis forums; you will see that they made fun of imam al mahdi..They don't believe in him...
And actually many always repeat this phrase:
متى سيخرج مهديكم من سردابه؟؟؟

[Xena]

if i'm not mistaken, the Shiites (and myself) believe that the mahdi will fight along side with the christ!
and yes the shia believe that the mahdi is alive and lives among us, and that the christ will descend in Damascus (not very sure)

[jisalo]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

In any case I have a request for more information.

I noticed that between members of the Shiite sect on this forum, there seem to be different interpretations for what the wilaya is and what it exactly means... Some see it purely spiritual while other give it more of a political note.

Do these interpretations we see on the forum belong to certain school of thoughts? Or are they simple member interpretations?

I will let you deduce whether the wilaya is spiritual or political:
Al Imam Khoumeini founded an ideological army and called it the army of the 20 million in order to be prepared for changing the world under the leadership of Al Mehdi. Furthermore,
the training program of the revolutionary guard includes an extensive educational program on religion and politic:
among this 7 steps program, the step number six is entitled as "wilayat al Fakih" which states that the members of the revolutionary guard should fully understand the proofs regarding the necessity of obeying the leader of the revolution because he is appointed by the infallible Imam.

jihad salloum

[gramsci]

and what if all that was fake . so u should be waiting for nothing .:)