Question to Atheists and Christians, - Page 3 - The Orange Room

Red Phoenix · 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Although it is Off topic, My Reaction would be "****-Off *** Clown!!!" .

Butyou still wouldn't answer the question, Does a WEAK chain of Narrators be Factor in you accepting any scripture or Book or Hadith ect... Or Would you just concentrate on the message regardless of who transmitted it?

that's one heck of a reaction hehe

personally i would just smile, and perhaps give a little tap on the back..

now, i thought i made myself clear

the message is more important than the messenger in matters of faith not facts.

and history is ripe with weird messages and weird messengers in the religious department.

now i'm not religious, but this is how it is for me, simple really

it's like choosing between pepsi and coca cola, it doesn't matter what happened in the past with the formula, coca cola just tastes better than pepsi for me now, but then again i dont like any brand of tikilla or vodka, but rum oh i love it :)

people are polytheists about their lives, so life was simpler for them when their religions were pragmatically polytheistic too..

now we ask deep questions to try to fit 'god' and an ever expanding universe into the same old bottle.

hmm, from the looks of it perhaps we are looking for a genie to represent our repressed hopes here after all

and then suddenly someone comes to us with a promise that he knows where to find that bottle, then countless others around him promise us the same thing but with a slightly newer updated version..

so if by default u can't trust any messenger, perhaps the message is more important if it makes some good sense.

TripolySunni

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Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

that's one heck of a reaction hehe

personally i would just smile, and perhaps give a little tap on the back..

now, i thought i made myself clear

the message is more important than the messenger in matters of faith not facts.

and history is ripe with weird messages and weird messengers in the religious department.

now i'm not religious, but this is how it is for me, simple really

it's like choosing between pepsi and coca cola, it doesn't matter what happened in the past with the formula, coca cola just tastes better than pepsi for me now, but then again i dont like any brand of tikilla or vodka, but rum oh i love it :)

people are polytheists about their lives, so life was simpler for them when their religions were pragmatically polytheistic too..

Well they both taste like Caramel to me? Honestly I can't tell the difference but Cola seems to be much more successful and popular (Do they have a thread about this?).

Any ways thanks for making the answear clearer, In matters of Faith the message is more important ( That's for a person that already belives) But in matters of Facts or It really being the word of the prophet or "God" The Authenticity and the Credibility of the Isnad is a crucial matter.

Red Phoenix

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Well they both taste like Caramel to me? Honestly I can't tell the difference but Cola seems to be much more successful and popular (Do they have a thread about this?).

Any ways thanks for making the answear clearer, In matters of Faith the message is more important ( That's for a person that already belives) But in matters of Facts or It really being the word of the prophet or "God" The Authenticity and the Credibility of the Isnad is a crucial matter.

well thanks for reading

i also updated the post with more analogues to make it more of a titillating reading experience in critical perception matters hehe

btw coca cola is sweeter tasting yet still manages to remain both good to drink alone or with food. pepsi is only good with food.

mickey117

A True atheist has at leastread the Qu'ran and Bible and judged them as "wrong" in order to become atheist!

J. Abizeid

Ooops, wrong thread

dyyyy

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Well they both taste like Caramel to me? Honestly I can't tell the difference but Cola seems to be much more successful and popular (Do they have a thread about this?).

Any ways thanks for making the answear clearer, In matters of Faith the message is more important ( That's for a person that already belives) But in matters of Facts or It really being the word of the prophet or "God" The Authenticity and the Credibility of the Isnad is a crucial matter.

well back to your original question, when you take a historical message, you take into account that the messenger may be liars or at best biased.
this is why you have procedures from the people you trust (your religion reference) to tell you what is the most probable message.
for example i'm a christian :
i know that there has been thousands of documents about jesus.
the procedure was to try to match historical facts, redundancy of stories and other criteria to choose the reference.
my religious reference (the church) has chosen the four we all know.
as a christian i consider that it's the CLOSEST to the truth,at least close enough to use it as reference of jesus' life.

Red Phoenix

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Originally Posted by mickey117

A True atheist has at leastread the Qu'ran and Bible and judged them as "wrong" in order to become atheist!

that applies only to religious persons turned atheists.

not to a person born into science.

the whole context is wrong here.

there is nothing to judge in those books regardless of whether u read them or not since the big picture is above them.

does one have to research pixies and fairies and santa clause and every other new figment of the imagination to proof they don't exist ?

no it's the other way around, the burden of proof is on those who are claiming things, such as god is something that does exist and can be proven and has books and prophets and sons to boot.

which is a lot of hot air for someone with a background in science.

god and the imaginary tea kettle in orbit around saturn are from the same family of things that their believers need to prove in scientific ways and not vice versa.

here, this is a claim i want to make, jessica alba is in the image of god, here u go ppl, prove to me that i'm wrong using science... hehe

things don't work in reverse that way

me, i read the new testament and bits of the old testament and bits of the koran and buddish teachings and vicking eddas and jewish kabalah,

all i can say is that i need to get some of that rainbow stuff these novelists were smoking