Question to Atheists and Christians,

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

All religions are bogus, they were created because governments were not able to present a social justice to the people, now we have civic laws and we don't need religions to have justice.
Incidentally, countries were religions thrive the most are countries where governments are almost inexistent and countries where governments are strong and just have almost no religion followers.

Listen no problem that is your View, But I just wanted to know If the "weak Chain of Narration or Transmition" would affect the Chances of any NON MUSLIM's conversion to Islam.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Hey everybody I'm just doing a little research And I wonder if any of you can help me out by answering this simple question (As simply as you can) And Believe it or Not this is not religious, It just appears that way thus I didn't put it in Self improvment (Nor could I think of a Category).

One or more Answers would do it for my research.

Question to Atheists and Christians,

Let us Say That I as a Muslim Try to discuss with you about my Religion and As a Muslim my proof and Arguments all come from this Holy Book the Quran and sayings of The prophet, Ok now you are interested by the book and ask me: "what proof do you have that this is the Authentic word of God as revealed by ur Prophet?" I Reply:" It has been transmitted to us by The Prophet's Students and Closest Friends, the people whom he used to spend most of his time with", Then you guys ask in Return: "What can you tell us about those people who transmitted it, Who are They?" Then I explain: " we Believe They are Liers, they are Cheaters and they are cowardly BackStabers".

Now the Question is this: Would you take me and my Religion seriously and would you agree that this is indeed God's Words Or Even the prophet's Words?

I wonder if you can do your research without the use of religion and blind faith such as this:
You came to me with a written message. You informed me the message is supposed to be from my great grand father but the middleman that delivered the message is not to be trusted. The question is: Do I take the message seriously.
My answer would be yes, I will take it seriously but I will not recessively believe it without verification or if it doesn’t make sense.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Hey everybody I'm just doing a little research And I wonder if any of you can help me out by answering this simple question (As simply as you can) And Believe it or Not this is not religious, It just appears that way thus I didn't put it in Self improvment (Nor could I think of a Category).

One or more Answers would do it for my research.

Question to Atheists and Christians,

Let us Say That I as a Muslim Try to discuss with you about my Religion and As a Muslim my proof and Arguments all come from this Holy Book the Quran and sayings of The prophet, Ok now you are interested by the book and ask me: "what proof do you have that this is the Authentic word of God as revealed by ur Prophet?" I Reply:" It has been transmitted to us by The Prophet's Students and Closest Friends, the people whom he used to spend most of his time with", Then you guys ask in Return: "What can you tell us about those people who transmitted it, Who are They?" Then I explain: " we Believe They are Liers, they are Cheaters and they are cowardly BackStabers".

Now the Question is this: Would you take me and my Religion seriously and would you agree that this is indeed God's Words Or Even the prophet's Words?

all holy books contain a specific message , a message of mercy , peace , tolerence , love .....

now talking about who wrote this and that is not important what matters more is how they delivered the message how they used it , their acts , their behavior , were they loyal true-hearted to the message ? or they simply disfigured it to serve a certain personal ideal .

based on history obviously they were not loyal to "the message", they twisted the texts to serve better their own intrests (wars , assassinations, killings ....) controversy ? .

a great person said once :" la religion est l'opium des peuples" i find it a very truthful sentence . throughout history religion was used to fullfil human personal desirs in the name of God we Kill , in the name of God we make wars , in the name of GOD we hate , in the name of GOD we discredit all the others values or beliefs ..... in the name of GOD we give our most horrible acts a raison d'etre !

the "holy" books be it muslims christians or jews .... hold the same basic message .... how was it manipulated , delivered and used is what was and still is wrong .

your acts in daily life with your brothers and sisters in humanity will speak for your "religion" not your words .

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by coralie

a great person said once :" la religion est l'opium des peuples"

I don’t want to drift off topic but I like to say something interesting. I never fully understood the meaning of that sentence until a heard someone say: George Bush gave up drugs and alcohol so he can get high on Jesus.
That is so true: People getting high on hallucinations and causing human tragedies by losing touch with reality. Let’s not forget, Hitler was a believer who didn’t drink or smoke…

[JD06]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Hey everybody I'm just doing a little research And I wonder if any of you can help me out by answering this simple question (As simply as you can) And Believe it or Not this is not religious, It just appears that way thus I didn't put it in Self improvment (Nor could I think of a Category).

One or more Answers would do it for my research.

Question to Atheists and Christians,

Let us Say That I as a Muslim Try to discuss with you about my Religion and As a Muslim my proof and Arguments all come from this Holy Book the Quran and sayings of The prophet, Ok now you are interested by the book and ask me: "what proof do you have that this is the Authentic word of God as revealed by ur Prophet?" I Reply:" It has been transmitted to us by The Prophet's Students and Closest Friends, the people whom he used to spend most of his time with", Then you guys ask in Return: "What can you tell us about those people who transmitted it, Who are They?" Then I explain: " we Believe They are Liers, they are Cheaters and they are cowardly BackStabers".

Now the Question is this: Would you take me and my Religion seriously and would you agree that this is indeed God's Words Or Even the prophet's Words?

offcourse not, its kind of a silly question, who would answer yes.
you seem to be trying to disrespect christianity in a non-direct way by taking the christian story(transmitted by jesuss close friends)and using an argument many non chiristians use(tht his close friends wer lying) but changing it to islam...i dont really care im just telling u what it looks like

[Red Phoenix]

hehe, TripolySunni

let me ask u this

if u'r a reasonable critical kinda guy who was born without religions and someone steps up to u now and tells u he hears voices, and that those voices are from god..

what would be ur reaction?

hehe,

i'm mostly agnostic in general and atheist in particular when it comes to human gods, but a note from my observations is that while both islam and christianity are weird like crazy, islam is just too simple also for its own good.

now this scripture vs scripture argument holds no water for me cuz all people are untrustworthy when it comes to recording events.

i don't need to go back 2000 or 1600 years ago to see that, i just need to wake up here in the early morning and go pick up a couple of different newspapers to see the irony of subjective human records.

finally all that matters not, there are many ideas and theologies out there and although all are made up and imaginary buddishm is the most spiritual and islam is the most business oriented while christianity is somewhere in the middle between doing business and trying to pass around some message somewhere.

[milouvr3]

you can find that any religion in the world (vanished or still exist) is package of social rules for the society where it belongs. the GOD issue in it isn't that important, because if you believe or not, as long as you live by this rules you are a good person.

so be a good person and atheist no problem
the problem is be a believer (Christian, Muslim,..) but don't live by this rules which is the case with almost all the "sinners" law breakers.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Hey everybody I'm just doing a little research And I wonder if any of you can help me out by answering this simple question (As simply as you can) And Believe it or Not this is not religious, It just appears that way thus I didn't put it in Self improvment (Nor could I think of a Category).

One or more Answers would do it for my research.

Question to Atheists and Christians,

Let us Say That I as a Muslim Try to discuss with you about my Religion and As a Muslim my proof and Arguments all come from this Holy Book the Quran and sayings of The prophet, Ok now you are interested by the book and ask me: "what proof do you have that this is the Authentic word of God as revealed by ur Prophet?" I Reply:" It has been transmitted to us by The Prophet's Students and Closest Friends, the people whom he used to spend most of his time with", Then you guys ask in Return: "What can you tell us about those people who transmitted it, Who are They?" Then I explain: " we Believe They are Liers, they are Cheaters and they are cowardly BackStabers".

Now the Question is this: Would you take me and my Religion seriously and would you agree that this is indeed God's Words Or Even the prophet's Words?

and why you put this question in context: if a non-muslim would turn to muslim depending on how credible the story he finds?

it is very simple, if you ask the question to an atheist he would say anyway all religion is BS

if you ask a christian, he would answer according to his belief and his traditions. such as islam, christianity is also a whole package, a way of education, world view, traditions etc... and a real believer will not accept other explanations than his own religion offers

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by JD06

offcourse not, its kind of a silly question, who would answer yes.
you seem to be trying to disrespect christianity in a non-direct way by taking the christian story(transmitted by jesuss close friends)and using an argument many non chiristians use(tht his close friends wer lying) but changing it to islam...i dont really care im just telling u what it looks like

I see I got myself a Catchy title, I knew that "Question to Atheists and Christians" would grab the attention of quite a few people on this forum :)

Now Trust me This has nothing to do with christianity in Fact Christians believe that Jesus's friends are good people except for maybe one.

anyways As I mentionned before I'm just checking people's throughts Regarding The importance of the Chains of Narrators and thier Authenticity and who Transmitted the Messages Wether it be the Quran, the Bible or any History book from Ancient times and How does this affect the acceptance of the overall Message. (In Arabic we call it the "Isnad" )

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

hehe, TripolySunni

let me ask u this

if u'r a reasonable critical kinda guy who was born without religions and someone steps up to u now and tells u he hears voices, and that those voices are from god..

what would be ur reaction?

.

Although it is Off topic, My Reaction would be "****-Off *** Clown!!!" .

Butyou still wouldn't answer the question, Does a WEAK chain of Narrators be Factor in you accepting any scripture or Book or Hadith ect... Or Would you just concentrate on the message regardless of who transmitted it?