Question to Atheists and Christians,

[TripolySunni]

Hey everybody I'm just doing a little research And I wonder if any of you can help me out by answering this simple question (As simply as you can) And Believe it or Not this is not religious, It just appears that way thus I didn't put it in Self improvment (Nor could I think of a Category).

One or more Answers would do it for my research.

Question to Atheists and Christians,

Let us Say That I as a Muslim Try to discuss with you about my Religion and As a Muslim my proof and Arguments all come from this Holy Book the Quran and sayings of The prophet, Ok now you are interested by the book and ask me: "what proof do you have that this is the Authentic word of God as revealed by ur Prophet?" I Reply:" It has been transmitted to us by The Prophet's Students and Closest Friends, the people whom he used to spend most of his time with", Then you guys ask in Return: "What can you tell us about those people who transmitted it, Who are They?" Then I explain: " we Believe They are Liers, they are Cheaters and they are cowardly BackStabers".

Now the Question is this: Would you take me and my Religion seriously and would you agree that this is indeed God's Words Or Even the prophet's Words?

[Danny Z]

If you say they are genuine people or if you say they are liars, it doesn't change the fact that they may have been liars or genuine. Point is it is not what you believe that is going to make them genuine or liars; it is what they were (in case they really existed).
Bottom you are born Christian you become christian, you are born jew you become jew you are born Muslim you become muslim, with very few statistically nil exceptions you become what you are taught at childhood and teen age and that includes. It is all in your upbringing, you can't prove whether religions exist or not because if it is a wide known fact that Islam or Christian or Judaism or DannyZism is THE right religion then everybody would have followed it, but it is all in what you think, so stop trying to convince others by saying "el sa7ba" were liars or genuine, it is not an argument.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

If you say they are genuine people or if you say they are liars, it doesn't change the fact that they may have been liars or genuine. Point is it is not what you believe that is going to make them genuine or liars; it is what they were (in case they really existed).
Bottom you are born Christian you become christian, you are born jew you become jew you are born Muslim you become muslim, with very few statistically nil exceptions you become what you are taught at childhood and teen age and that includes. It is all in your upbringing, you can't prove whether religions exist or not because if it is a wide known fact that Islam or Christian or Judaism or DannyZism is THE right religion then everybody would have followed it, but it is all in what you think, so stop trying to convince others by saying "el sa7ba" were liars or genuine, it is not an argument.

You Miss the point, The point is would you accept Manuscripts or Sayings of anyone who were transmitted by People believed to be Liers and Traitors by thier own people?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

You Miss the point, The point is would you accept Manuscripts or Sayings of anyone who were transmitted by People believed to be Liers and Traitors by thier own people?

believed by whom? how do you know they were believed to be traitors by their own people? History is written not made.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

believed by whom? how do you know they were believed to be traitors by their own people? History is written not made.

Let's Suppose it's Written That They are and recorded in history by many sources, Would you accept the Words Given to you and transmitted By a Chain of Liers as being the words of GOD? Does them being Liers not matter to you? Could they not have changed it or Made it up?

It's really a simple question why complicate things Danny? I'm saying that you are an Atheist or a Christian so basically you need a Reason Not to believe in My Book.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Let's Suppose it's Written That They are and recorded in history by many sources, Would you accept the Words Given to you and transmitted By a Chain of Liers as being the words of GOD? Does them being Liers not matter to you? Could they not have changed it or Made it up?

It's really a simple question why complicate things Danny? I'm saying that you are an Atheist or a Christian so basically you need a Reason Not to believe in My Book.

What's your point? that people are saying that these are liars to discredit your book? Maybe they are, but you have to also think that maybe your book is just fiction and that people might be accusing al sa7ba to be liars who spread lies that did not exist in the first place just to make the book believable.
Anyway religions are not absolute, so nobody can convince you and you can't convince anybody. The thing is called believing so it is not an absolute verb.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

What's your point? that people are saying that these are liars to discredit your book? Maybe they are, but you have to also think that maybe your book is just fiction and that people might be accusing al sa7ba to be liars who spread lies that did not exist in the first place just to make the book believable.
Anyway religions are not absolute, so nobody can convince you and you can't convince anybody. The thing is called believing so it is not an absolute verb.

Your logic Is Correct but this topic isn't even intended to be religious nor is it about God You can really Apply this to anything else, Imagine a very well known Lier Comes to you and Tells you that this is your Father's written will and The Will seems believable except for the fact that your Father seems to have Given this Man almost 1/4th his fortune (Could it be he Changed it maybe:)

Or Imagine a Christian comes to you and tells you that he has this book which contains the words of Jesus then you ask him how he got it and he says We got it through the enemies of Christ and the worst of Sinners, would you then convert or tell him "Ha! your religion is Bogus".

This is Just a research, like a questionnere if you may So the Ansewers should be YES, NO or I Don't Know. This is why I'm asking you guys for a Favor to answer it (As smply as you can)

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

...Would you accept the Words Given to you and transmitted By a Chain of Liers as being the words of GOD? Does them being Liers not matter to you? Could they not have changed it or Made it up?...

What kind of question is that? Of course it matters if they are liars.

Your question should be directed to Atheists only, Christians also have transmitted their stories from people who we don't know to people we don't know.
Or at least you should have asked Muslims if they believe that the stories in the Bible are trustworthy... or something like that.

Muslims forced people to believe in their religion, lots of invasions, lots of wars. I remember once that
On the other hand, Christians shared their religion with love and care, just like Jesus advised them.

Islam and Christianity, both clams to believe in the same God, yet there are super contradictions in life organizations between both religions when it comes to God's requests to the human.

God asks the Christians in their bible {I know you're gonna say that the bible is not God's words and all that, but at least that's what his "son" told the people} to share their love and care for all the people around them, and to live in peace among each others, and he gives them freedom to believe in him or not. And a small amount of restrictions.

God asks the Islams in the Quraan to share their religions and beliefs among each others and all the people around them, but he has too much restrictions. {Music is forbidden, Geez...}

Both religions have some stuff in common, stealing is bad, lying is bad, having sex before marriage is bad... and all that...
Yet, again, lots of contradictions in life-organization.

Finally the answer you were looking for:
- As an Atheist, all I see is that religions are man-made. I find it illogical to trust stories dating 1600 and 2000 years back.
People back then were so much primitive towards logical thinking.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Tawa

What kind of question is that? Of course it matters if they are liars.

Your question should be directed to Atheists only, Christians also have transmitted their stories from people who we don't know to people we don't know.
Or at least you should have asked Muslims if they believe that the stories in the Bible are trustworthy... or something like that.

Muslims forced people to believe in their religion, lots of invasions, lots of wars. I remember once that
On the other hand, Christians shared their religion with love and care, just like Jesus advised them.

Islam and Christianity, both clams to believe in the same God, yet there are super contradictions in life organizations between both religions when it comes to God's requests to the human.

God asks the Christians in their bible {I know you're gonna say that the bible is not God's words and all that, but at least that's what his "son" told the people} to share their love and care for all the people around them, and to live in peace among each others, and he gives them freedom to believe in him or not. And a small amount of restrictions.

God asks the Islams in the Quraan to share their religions and beliefs among each others and all the people around them, but he has too much restrictions. {Music is forbidden, Geez...}

Both religions have some stuff in common, stealing is bad, lying is bad, having sex before marriage is bad... and all that...
Yet, again, lots of contradictions in life-organization.

Finally the answer you were looking for:
- As an Atheist, all I see is that religions are man-made. I find it illogical to trust stories dating 1600 and 2000 years back.
People back then were so much primitive towards logical thinking.

Great Thank you, so you say it does Matter if they are Liers or cheaters. Our Argument that this is the book of God would be nullified if the Transmitters were All Un-TrustWorthy

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Your logic Is Correct but this topic isn't even intended to be religious nor is it about God You can really Apply this to anything else, Imagine a very well known Lier Comes to you and Tells you that this is your Father's written will and The Will seems believable except for the fact that your Father seems to have Given this Man almost 1/4th his fortune (Could it be he Changed it maybe:)

Or Imagine a Christian comes to you and tells you that he has this book which contains the words of Jesus then you ask him how he got it and he says We got it through the enemies of Christ and the worst of Sinners, would you then convert or tell him "Ha! your religion is Bogus".

This is Just a research, like a questionnere if you may So the Ansewers should be YES, NO or I Don't Know. This is why I'm asking you guys for a Favor to answer it (As smply as you can)

All religions are bogus, they were created because governments were not able to present a social justice to the people, now we have civic laws and we don't need religions to have social justice.
Incidentally, countries were religions thrive the most are countries where governments are almost inexistent and countries where governments are strong and just have almost no religion followers.