Pope: condoms not the answer in AIDS fight

[Salome]

The pope probably knows that the condom can save lives in Africa, where AIDS is so widespread and highly endangers children. But he can not step out from the institutional rigidities of the church, thus he has to condemn contraceptives.

But he chose a real bad place to reaffirm the church's stance! In Africa where the problems are numerous and many societies are in total mess, he just can not preach against condom for the poor fellas.

At least he shall think about the newborn babies who unwantedly carry the disease.

[abientot]

Originally Posted by Salome

The pope probably knows that the condom can save lives in Africa, where AIDS is so widespread and highly endangers children. But he can not step out from the institutional rigidities of the church, thus he has to condemn contraceptives.

But he chose a real bad place to reaffirm the church's stance! In Africa where the problems are numerous and many societies are in total mess, he just can not preach against condom for the poor fellas.

At least he shall think about the newborn babies who unwantedly carry the disease.

Or maybe the people infected with the virus could use their brain and control themselves so as not to infect other people and have children who will be born with it.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by abientot

Or maybe the people infected with the virus could use their brain and control themselves so as not to infect other people and have children who will be born with it.

Would be ideally, but we are talking about Africa now, where most of the societies are in total mess.

Where little boys are fighting and dieng as soldiers I will not put the requirements so high.

As we learned from the good old Maslow, till we get to be totally enlightened and super clever, we have to walk through the pyramid.

And at the bottom of the pyramid stands the simple food. The African people dont even have enough food to start with..so you have a problem to tackle with is multi-dimensional. The simple dimension thinking of the pope will not help here.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

In case you don't know, popes have always considered sex as a curse that came with the sin of Adam and Eve; a form of evil that is a necessity for reproduction The hilarious thing is when he speaks bad of condoms when unmarried couples travel for his pilgrimage as he blesses America.

Can you give proofs, really I like to know more about this issue.
Maybe if you can show me where did JP2 say that sex is a curse and a form of evil that is a necessity for reproduction or something like that, I would be thankful.
Quoting the current Pope would help too.

His church is an abomination to the teachings of Jesus Christ with a history of crime and rape.

Christianity is the religon of love, and nothin will change this.

History dude.

It's time for you to get over it, we're in 2009 now.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by abientot

Exactly!

Whether you agree with him or not, the pope spoke from a Christian point of view which does not not approve of pre-marital sex and the use of artificial contraception methods. So if you are a person who does what the pope says, that should imply that you're a committed Christian, and in that case you would not be having pre-marital sex. Therefore the use of condoms and HIV would not be an issue for you to begin with. You cannot take what you like of the teachings and throw the parts that doent suit you away (That is if you were to practice a certain religion).
Halla2 other christians and non-christians, who do not care about what the pope says, have the complete freedom to have sex, use condomns, etc... and would not be affected by the pope 'banning' the use of condoms. So let's drop the 'pope is killing people' argument.

The point is, you either abide by the whole thing or you dont, and you have complete freedom in making that choice. Ma nel2at l chaghleh men danaba w nemcheh.

Spare us the point of view of the church, the pope recognizes Judaism as a religion while his religion is supposed to supersede Judaism and he also recognizes Islam that came after his religion and he calls for a dialogue of religions so as you say he either abides by the whole thing or he doesn't...Either he recognizes condoms and people who don't use and people who engage in premarital sex and also dialogues with them or he shouldn't recognize other religions as well. What he is doing is hypocrisy.

[Frisbeetarian]

Guyz let us not please turn this debate into religion bashing. Everyone is aware of historical events and the reason behind them, there is no need to repeat the obvious. Let us just please concentrate on the subject at hand.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Salome

The pope probably knows that the condom can save lives in Africa, where AIDS is so widespread and highly endangers children. But he can not step out from the institutional rigidities of the church, thus he has to condemn contraceptives.

But he chose a real bad place to reaffirm the church's stance! In Africa where the problems are numerous and many societies are in total mess, he just can not preach against condom for the poor fellas.

At least he shall think about the newborn babies who unwantedly carry the disease.

Originally Posted by Salome

Would be ideally, but we are talking about Africa now, where most of the societies are in total mess.

Where little boys are fighting and dieng as soldiers I will not put the requirements so high.

As we learned from the good old Maslow, till we get to be totally enlightened and super clever, we have to walk through the pyramid.

And at the bottom of the pyramid stands the simple food. The African people dont even have enough food to start with..so you have a problem to tackle with is multi-dimensional. The simple dimension thinking of the pope will not help here.

Allow me to debate with you since your words are worthy to be read unlike other posts coming from muslims or athesits, talking with a predetermined goal.

The Pope hasn't said anything that contradicts with the words of Bible, or the teachings of Christ.

Christianity will not alter itself to adapt with the poor people in Africa.

If you are a true christian, a believer, live as a christian, and you will find his words true.
If you don't want to live as a christian, you won't take his words into consideration in the first place, so he's adressing people as the head of Church and he is obliged to say what he said.

Do you want him to say, condoms are good, you can always make safe sex with whores, you can always cheat on your wives.
Hey Women, use condoms to cheat on your men.
As long as you don't catch Aids, cause this is what matters.
Let Christianity, our religon go to hell, as long as u don't catch Aids.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by BOILER

If you are a true christian, a believer, live as a christian, and you will find his words true.
If you don't want to live as a christian, you won't take his words into consideration in the first place, so he's adressing people as the head of Church and he is obliged to say what he said.

Do you want him to say, condoms are good, you can always make safe sex with whores, you can always cheat on your wives.
Hey Women, use condoms to cheat on your men.
As long as you don't catch Aids, cause this is what matters.
Let Christianity, our religon go to hell, as long as u don't catch Aids.

Dread the use of rubber on your skin, for those who don't exchange fluids shall perish in the darkness of humanity until they burn in hell. (Mathew 45:7)

[Frisbeetarian]

Let Christianity, our religon go to hell, as long as u don't catch Aids.

YES! of course yes! Doesnt even need a second pondering upon! (Involving all religions, not specifying Christianity)

[Red Phoenix]

guys let us not lose our heads over this please, the church only has the best of intention at heart here.
it's just trying to cure aids like it tried upon a time to cure the black plague, mainly by blaming it on the victim.