parallel world !!!

[Omeros]

هناك من يقول ان هذا العالم هو الواقع والعالم الاخر هو دنيا الموت !
هناك من يقول اننا ربما غير موجيدين ونحن فقط نتخيل وجودنا!
هناك من يقول ان وجودنا له طابع ديني والدين هو اساس الوجود والنهاية
هناك من يحلم بان الله يتشمس على سطح كوكب من كواكب الوجود
ولكن هل فكر احدكم يوما ان هذا الكون هو خط مستقيم الا انه متقطع لا تستطيع تخطي زمن وجودك فكما لا قدرة لليد لترى اليد الاخرى نحن لا قدرة لنا لنرى ذاك العالم نراه ولا نراه كيف ؟
انا موجودة هنا , انا نتيجة لزمن منصرم لحياة اخرى وانا بعقلي وكياني اجمع ما سبق وكان لكن لا اعرف هذا لانني منقطعة عن الخط المتوازي !
هناك من يتخطى هذا الواقع ويرى العوالم المتماثلة ، ربما من احساسه المرهف يجعله قادر او قدرته على التركيز ....
فمثلا السؤال الذي يطرح دائما كيف للنازا وبقدراتها التكنلوجيا لم تكتشف مثل الارض ؟ الجواي بسيط لان العوالم منقطعة ولا يمكن ان تتصل فيما بينها وان راينا كوكب قد لا يستوعبه العقل فكما نعرف في علم الرياضيات وغيرها هناك بعض الاصوات التي لا يمكن ان نسمعها او نراها ....
ماذا لو بالصدفة اجتزنا .....هذا العالم
ماذا لو بالصدفة ......راينا احدهم ....احدنا من العالم الاخر ....؟

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Omeros

هناك من يقول ان هذا العالم هو الواقع والعالم الاخر هو دنيا الموت !
هناك من يقول اننا ربما غير موجيدين ونحن فقط نتخيل وجودنا!
هناك من يقول ان وجودنا له طابع ديني والدين هو اساس الوجود والنهاية
هناك من يحلم بان الله يتشمس على سطح كوكب من كواكب الوجود
ولكن هل فكر احدكم يوما ان هذا الكون هو خط مستقيم الا انه متقطع لا تستطيع تخطي زمن وجودك فكما لا قدرة لليد لترى اليد الاخرى نحن لا قدرة لنا لنرى ذاك العالم نراه ولا نراه كيف ؟
انا موجودة هنا , انا نتيجة لزمن منصرم لحياة اخرى وانا بعقلي وكياني اجمع ما سبق وكان لكن لا اعرف هذا لانني منقطعة عن الخط المتوازي !
هناك من يتخطى هذا الواقع ويرى العوالم المتماثلة ، ربما من احساسه المرهف يجعله قادر او قدرته على التركيز ....
فمثلا السؤال الذي يطرح دائما كيف للنازا وبقدراتها التكنلوجيا لم تكتشف مثل الارض ؟ الجواي بسيط لان العوالم منقطعة ولا يمكن ان تتصل فيما بينها وان راينا كوكب قد لا يستوعبه العقل فكما نعرف في علم الرياضيات وغيرها هناك بعض الاصوات التي لا يمكن ان نسمعها او نراها ....
ماذا لو بالصدفة اجتزنا .....هذا العالم
ماذا لو بالصدفة ......راينا احدهم ....احدنا من العالم الاخر ....؟

I always thought ya Omeros that YOU don't belong to our world. I mean this as a compliment.
Maybe just the fact of thinking and believing of a parallel world makes that world exist.
I personally always thought of life as a stepping stone to the "other world", not necessarily heaven or hell, but another existence much more advanced than what existence means to us as being alive.
The price of admittance is the death of the physical body.
In this other existence we start where we left off in this world. Not in terms of wealth, romance, relationships, etc but in terms of knowledge.
It doesn't stop there, for each existence becomes a stepping stone to another, and another, making these parallel worlds almost infinite.
The last of these worlds is when a human accumulates the knowledge of truly understanding the mightiness of god, and than the soul itself becomes part of god.

[Kasparov]

Well we havent discovered any "inhibited" planets yet cause we still have limited scientific capabilities, but scientists have already discovered planets like earth which might have life on them, once scientists achieve a faster way to travel in the universe & prolong human life/ freeze humans, then we might find other planets with people living on them, or more precisly "creatures" living on them

[Osiris]

How powerful this think called Brain is!

Everything happens there, our memories, our emotions, our perceptions.. everything is just right there. For instance, what tells you that this color is black? What tells you that chocolate tastes so good? What tells you that Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th is a masterpiece? It's amazing what our brain can do.. It can also create different worlds, it can let you see people that do not exist. etc..

Final words and as a conclusion: it's all in the brain.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osiris

How powerful this think called Brain is!

Everything happens there, our memories, our emotions, our perceptions.. everything is just right there. For instance, what tells you that this color is black? What tells you that chocolate tastes so good? What tells you that Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th is a masterpiece? It's amazing what our brain can do.. It can also create different worlds, it can let you see people that do not exist. etc..

Final words and as a conclusion: it's all in the brain.

A rose can be looked upon differently by several people, based on the environments that each is living in. Although a chemist would view the rose as a structure of carbon atoms and a biologist might think of it as a species made up of plant cells, to a poet, a rose could symbolize beauty and its thorns could portray life in a sense that people have to suffer at different stages of their lives, no matter how beautiful life might seem. These three distinct representations of a rose can be justified by the chemist, the biologist, and the poet. The chemist says that experimental studies proved what he claims true. The biologist says that the microscope confirmed what he in turn claims true. The poet says that his emotions and imagination make him believe in what he also claims true. Not only are the claims in this case different, but also are the pieces of evidence and their nature. Whose claim is true? Who is qualified to distinguish what is true from what is not? If one claim is considered to be true, can we just discount the other claims?

“The Blind Men and the Elephant”, originally an ancient Indian parable, is a poem by the American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887). The poem talks about six blind men trying to understand what an elephant looks like through their senses. Each of the blind men approached the elephant and came up with different descriptions of the animal. Though each one of men perceives through his senses, each is blind of the others. Each has what each has, and each is where each is. How each got there is irrelevant, as long as they got there. In this case, although all six claims were established by the same means of knowledge, perception, we observe contradicting opinions. Is the elephant a wall, maybe a spear, probably a snake, perhaps a tree, possibly a fan or conceivably a rope? To a person who can see the answer seems simple and obvious, but what about a blind man? Would he believe in what he felt or would he take what society declares as true for granted? How can he live with the fact that what his senses implied was actually not real?

Colorblindness is a genetical defect defined to be the difficulty in distinguishing between colors, usually between red and green! A situation may arouse where a colorblind and a normal person are observing a tree. The normal person can undoubtedly see that the tree is green, while the colorblind clearly sees it as red. It was always known that trees are green; does this mean that what the colorblind saw did not exist? Did his mind imagine the red color of the tree? Since the image was created by the mind, this means that it existed. Where does it exist: in his mind or in reality? Does it really matter? If the majority claims something and the minority states a contradictory statement, who is stating the truth? Does majority rule over minority? One question has to be asked: what if the tree is in fact red? Subsequently, the colorblind becomes normal and the normal becomes colorblind. Is that all? What would happen to what the world believes in and considers facts? What would happen to the whole human development that occurred based on evident and assumed knowledge such as the color of a tree?

Hindus in India consider a cow to be a holy being, while I see it as a hamburger or a baseball glove. This is an example of what is known as Cultural Relativism, which is defined to be “the position that all points of view are equally valid and that all truth is relative to the individual and his or her environment”. In other words, cultural relativism is the philosophical belief that all views are equally valid. Thus, absolute truth does no exist. Therefore, each of the blind men is right in his own way. The thoughts of each of the chemist, biologist and poet are true relative to their perspectives. Even the colorblind speaks the truth when he says that the tree is red. Truth and reality depend solely on the person and his environment. Subsequently, as much as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I believe truth is also in the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless, when one states, “absolute truths do not exist”, “this is an absolute statement, which is supposed to be true. Therefore, it is an absolute truth and the statement is false.”

Sorry for the long post, but had to clarify a few things.

Cheers!

[Omeros]

Everything happens there, our memories, our emotions, our perceptions..
everything is just right there

هذا صحيح نسبيا صحيح بالنسبة ان العقل هو الاساس الا وان العقل هو اساس لان يحمل الذكريات قي اللاوعي لكن العقل ليس مخزن ذكريات ، العقل هو سبيل لكي تمر به المشاعر لكن ليس مصدر المشاعر ، الرؤية تحصل من خلال العقل صحيح لكن من منطلق شخصي فان كان العقل موجودا وهو الوحيد الحي بين اعضاء جسمك ومر امامك كتاب فلسفة لن تنده ببنت شفة لان العقل وحده يعمل ، فالعقل نعم مهم جدا جدا لكن هل هو كل شئ ...اوتعرف ان الموت اول ما يزورنا يزور القلب فان كان العقل الاساس كيف يزور القلب ثم العقل ؟
العقل هو مثل الكاغد او نسبة اليد للقلم الذكريات موجودة وكل هؤلاء موجودين لكن العقل وسيلة لاظهارها وليس وسيلة وجودها بذاتها
لكن ان انت كنت محدودا بهذه الفكرة ل الفلسفة ولا العلم ولا اي من علوم الارض ستقنعك لذا لم اتوسع اكثر ولم يعد يهم ان توسعت اكثر فالتوسع تضييع وقت ولت بلا طعمة

For instance, what tells you that this color is black? What tells you that chocolate tastes so good? What tells you that Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th is a masterpiece? It's amazing what our brain can do.. It can also create different worlds, it can let you see people that do not exist. etc..

Final words and as a conclusion: it's all in the brain.

من قال لك انني اهتم ان كان صحيحا ما اراه المهم ان اراه وان اتعامل مع ما ارى ، ومن قال لك ان حزنك وحزني صحيح واننا ، من يقول ذا هو انا لانني انا انسان اعرف نفسي لذي الوعي الكافي لاميز ما هو انا وما ليس انا ، فانا لست واقفة منتظرة ان يسلك الوحود جسدي فنحن ننفعل نتفاعل مع الوجود عينه فمثلا ممكن انت ترى ان هذا ممكن ان يكون رفيق جياك ولكن انت ممكن ان تتفاعل معه او لا هل السبب هو العقل ام السبب ربما قد يكون متاتيا من الواقع ومن انفعالاتك مع الواقع ومع ما انت سبق واكتسبته!

صحيح العقل هو سبيل خروج الافكار ولكن السؤال افكارنا تتشابه مع الاف الكتاب ومئات من الفلاسفة الذين لم ندر حتى بوجودهم بالتالي هل ذا العقل واحد منذ وجود الانسانية او ان الانسانية تمر بعوالم متتعدة فتتطور مع كل عالم بعض افكارها وتترسخ اخرى وحين يكون الفرد بهذا الوجود يكون عالافا بما لا يعلرف انه يعرف فعقله ليس تبولارازا

نعم قد لا ترى الموجودين صحيح ولكن هذا تصرف شخصي مجدود ربما بك انت وحدك انت وحدك لا ترى احد وليس انا فان انت فهمت افكار الاخر منذ تكون افكاره في رحم امه فانت انت فعلت ذا لا يمكن ان لاترى الاخر والدليل الطفل يشعر بوالدته لانه عاش في خضم قلبها وليس عقلها اتصل بماء ؤوحها ولم يتصل بشبكة العين او المنطقة الرمادية !

التحليل الاخير: العقل وسيلة مرور للعالم الاخر لان العالم الاخر ترك بصمته ها هناك اتريد ان تقنعني ان تلك البشرية استطاعت التطور لتلك الدرجة هكذا لانها موجودة لم لم يبق العثل بدائيا ان كنا نولد مسطحي العقول ....نحن نتيجة ايام غابرة ايام هوميروس وايام اورفليس وغيرها نحن مررنا بحديقة النبي ومنزل النبي وعالم النبي ونحن ها هنا لا تفعل الا مقارنة الواقع بدنيا غابرة
شكرا

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Osiris

How powerful this think called Brain is!

Everything happens there, our memories, our emotions, our perceptions.. everything is just right there. For instance, what tells you that this color is black? What tells you that chocolate tastes so good? What tells you that Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th is a masterpiece? It's amazing what our brain can do.. It can also create different worlds, it can let you see people that do not exist. etc..

Final words and as a conclusion: it's all in the brain.

Indeed our brain (i call it mind though:p) can be so powerful that it creates reality!!! We change our world just through the power of our mind!

Not long ago people believed that the Earth is flat and the Sun is orbiting around it.

What makes you think we are not developing in our perceptions? We will learn about many things, but many things remain hidden. Important would be if humans could abstract from their earthly physics theories and measuring gadgets, simply because these are relevant on Earth only, they are not working in other dimensions or in other parts of the Universe. Following our used means will lead us only to false datas, or simply things remain hidden from us.

So surely parallel worlds CAN exist, there are a lot to discover out there.

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

I personally always thought of life as a stepping stone to the "other world", not necessarily heaven or hell, but another existence much more advanced than what existence means to us as being alive.
The price of admittance is the death of the physical body.
In this other existence we start where we left off in this world. Not in terms of wealth, romance, relationships, etc but in terms of knowledge.
It doesn't stop there, for each existence becomes a stepping stone to another, and another, making these parallel worlds almost infinite.
The last of these worlds is when a human accumulates the knowledge of truly understanding the mightiness of god, and than the soul itself becomes part of god.

Originally Posted by Stella

What makes you think we are not developing in our perceptions? We will learn about many things, but many things remain hidden. Important would be if humans could abstract from their earthly physics theories and measuring gadgets, simply because these are relevant on Earth only, they are not working in other dimensions or in other parts of the Universe. Following our used means will lead us only to false datas, or simply things remain hidden from us.

So surely parallel worlds CAN exist, there are a lot to discover out there.

I have always dreamt about the idea of parallel world, or universe.. A world where the same persons exists.. Just imagine that, right now, you exist in another world.. splendid!

On the other hand, look how bothering the idea of the non-existence of parallel worlds, worlds after death.. etc. What if we are really alone? Scary indeed..

Too bad I don't believe in any of that.. well, at least the so-called Heaven and Hell. But at the end, who knows! We know nothing.. all what we know are the dimensions of space and time, our brain is bound to these. Our eyes are programmed to see radiation with wavelengths between 400 nm (Violet) and 700 nm (Red).. We know nothing!

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Colorblindness is a genetical defect defined to be the difficulty in distinguishing between colors, usually between red and green! A situation may arouse where a colorblind and a normal person are observing a tree. The normal person can undoubtedly see that the tree is green, while the colorblind clearly sees it as red. It was always known that trees are green; does this mean that what the colorblind saw did not exist? Did his mind imagine the red color of the tree? Since the image was created by the mind, this means that it existed. Where does it exist: in his mind or in reality? Does it really matter? If the majority claims something and the minority states a contradictory statement, who is stating the truth? Does majority rule over minority? One question has to be asked: what if the tree is in fact red? Subsequently, the colorblind becomes normal and the normal becomes colorblind. Is that all? What would happen to what the world believes in and considers facts? What would happen to the whole human development that occurred based on evident and assumed knowledge such as the color of a tree?

Well, what is Red?

Great analysis Sirius, I have always thought of these ideas.. It proves that everything resides in our brain.

One question - imagine one loses ALL his 5 senses, what would happen to him?

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Omeros

هذا صحيح نسبيا صحيح بالنسبة ان العقل هو الاساس الا وان العقل هو اساس لان يحمل الذكريات قي اللاوعي لكن العقل ليس مخزن ذكريات ، العقل هو سبيل لكي تمر به المشاعر لكن ليس مصدر المشاعر ، الرؤية تحصل من خلال العقل صحيح لكن من منطلق شخصي فان كان العقل موجودا وهو الوحيد الحي بين اعضاء جسمك ومر امامك كتاب فلسفة لن تنده ببنت شفة لان العقل وحده يعمل ، فالعقل نعم مهم جدا جدا لكن هل هو كل شئ ...اوتعرف ان الموت اول ما يزورنا يزور القلب فان كان العقل الاساس كيف يزور القلب ثم العقل ؟
العقل هو مثل الكاغد او نسبة اليد للقلم الذكريات موجودة وكل هؤلاء موجودين لكن العقل وسيلة لاظهارها وليس وسيلة وجودها بذاتها

Emotions are also based in the brain, many studies showed that.
I have discussed this idea in a previous thread, and as far as I know, emotions and feelings, like wrath, fright, passion, love, hate, joy and sadness, are mammalian inventions, originated in the limbic system. This system is also responsible for some aspects of personal identity and for important functions related to memory.

لكن ان انت كنت محدودا بهذه الفكرة ل الفلسفة ولا العلم ولا اي من علوم الارض ستقنعك لذا لم اتوسع اكثر ولم يعد يهم ان توسعت اكثر فالتوسع تضييع وقت ولت بلا طعمة

It's not about being bound to this idea and it is not about convincing me otherwise. This is what I believe in, I can change my mind if I read something more convincing!

نعم قد لا ترى الموجودين صحيح ولكن هذا تصرف شخصي مجدود ربما بك انت وحدك انت وحدك لا ترى احد وليس انا فان انت فهمت افكار الاخر منذ تكون افكاره في رحم امه فانت انت فعلت ذا لا يمكن ان لاترى الاخر والدليل الطفل يشعر بوالدته لانه عاش في خضم قلبها وليس عقلها اتصل بماء ؤوحها ولم يتصل بشبكة العين او المنطقة الرمادية !

Telepathy is proved scientifically.