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Hisham Mahmoud spoke at Tressider on Saturday about the importance of Jesus
in the Islamic faith.
By Li Tao
Stanford Daily
Monday, October 17, 2005


Lecturer Hisham Mahmoud, a doctoral candidate of Islamic Studies at UCLA,spoke last Saturday afternoon about the role of Jesus in Islam to an
audience of approximately 50 Stanford students and members of the
surrounding community.
The event, titled “Jesus in Islam: The Gospel of Jesus According to Prophet
Muhammad,” was sponsored by the Islamic Society of Stanford University and the Muslim Students Awareness Network.

Stanford junior Shelley Cheung, one of the coordinators, explained that the
event was intended to highlight the similarities between Islam and other
faiths and show students how much they have in common.

Beginning his lecture with a prayer of Moses, Mahmoud emphasized this
similarity throughout his talk.

Both Muslims and Christians “believe in Jesus as the Messiah and accept that he was born of a virgin, that he never sinned,” he said. “There is more in common than there are differences between us.”

Mahmoud also spoke about an early event in the history of Islam, when a
group of Muslims pursued by enemies sought refuge with a Christian
Ethiopian king. After hearing an account in the Quran about the birth of
Jesus, the king drew a line in the sand and said “the difference between
you and me is no thicker than this line” and proceeded to guarantee
protection to the Muslims.

“Such was the first interfaith dialogue between Islam and Christianity,”
Mahmoud said.Jesus’ teachings are revered in Islam as the “word of God,” and are quoted by the Prophet Mohammed in various books, Mahmoud added.
“The Muslims of old used to advise each other by the statements of Jesus’
teachings,” he said.
Mahmoud explained that several of Jesus’ sayings present themes common to both religions — “Blessed is he who sees with his heart, but his heart is
not the one he sees; forgive those who will not forgive you, visit the sick
who will not visit you, lend money to those who you know will not pay you
back; Cross this bridge [of life] but do not build anything on it.”

The lecture was followed by a question and answer session, which partly
dealt with differences between the Christian and Islamic view of Jesus.
One important difference between the two religions was the Christian idea of Jesus being crucified for the sins of mankind. Mahmoud explained that
Islamic doctrine states that “each soul bears its own burden” and “no human can be accountable for the actions of another.”

Another difference Mahmoud explained was the idea of the Holy Trinity.
Although Muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah, they do not believe Jesus is the son of God.
“It is not fitting for the majesty of God to have the same physical needs as
a human,” he explained. “God is not a father other than in the metaphorical
sense that he is the father to all of us.”
After the event, junior Nasser Khan said that the material presented was
“not too different” from what he had learned previously, but the speech was clear and easy to follow, especially for those with no background knowledge on the subject.
For senior Mohammed Subeh, the event awakened an interest in the subject.
“It left me wanting to learn more,” he said.
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Default Re: Jesus in Islam - 18th October 2005

This is a really interesting article. I wish lotta people elaborate on that issue, eventhough I don't think that our differences are the source of our problems, coz U can see lotta similarities between the chiites and the sunnites, though U see lotta conflicts between them.
Anyway, I remember I used to watch a programme on TeleLumiere discussing the similarities between Islam and christianity, but unfortunately noone should be wrong on media, so the programme finally focused on the differenes between the 2 religions
I think such issues should be discussed privately and rationally not on TVs coz on TVs there's no debate, there's stg called who scores more and this is harmful.
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[url]http://daily/tempo?Both Muslims and Christians “believe in Jesus as the Messiah and accept that he was born of a virgin, that he never sinned,” he said. “There is more in common than there are differences between us.”

The Koran never mentions Jesus as the messiah anywhere. It considers him just another prophet who came to abrogate ( Yensakh) the Taourah by the bible which itself, according to Islam, has been abrogated (mansoukh) itself by the Koran.

The virgin birth from Mary is as far as the similarities go between the two religions. Jesus of the Koran and Allah of the Koran have really very little in common with the Christian Jesus and the Christian God. Whoever says otherwise is probably driven by political motives rather than theological ones.

Jesus as portrayed in the Koran entirely undermines the foundation of Christianity. Besides The Koran tells very little about Jesus though it mentions him in a large number of verses and to many Muslim scholars it really is St Paul who established Christianity as we know it( I must admit this theory sounds credible) and whatever teachings Jesus preached ( and here the Koran does not tell us what they are) have been later corrupted by Jesus followers. Surely you know whom the Fate7a refers to by Almaghdoub 3alayhoum w L dalleen ( if you dont I refer you to the interpretation of the Koran by Al Jalalayn).

Another issue here is the concept of Nasekh and Mansoukh. Many muslim scholars when they talk about the similiraties between the two religions fail to mention that many of the Surahs they quote to substantiate their assertions have been abrogated and according to Muslim theologians these Surahs have no authority and no weight whatsover. I wonder if the speaker spoke of this vital issue. I could not open the website so I dont know and what about what the Medina Surahs said about Jesus as opposed to the Meccan Surahs.
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Jesus in Islam, this subject has always attracted me..last week i asked a muslim friend abt few things i'd like to share with you..he said: ne7na "men2addes" JC, we believe he's gonna return to earth and we think that this day would be the end of the world..he also added that a difference between our story and theirs is that muslims think Jesus wasn't crucified, becoz they believe God didn't accept for him to have such an ending, and that someone else "shoubbiha lahou" with the same body but maybe different soul, was crucified...and JC just disappeared but will return on earth as i said previously on a black and last day on Earth..
interesting & important to know this..
(btw..i think this thread should be removed from the Lounge section..)
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" JC just disappeared but will return on earth as i said previously on a black and last day on Earth..
interesting to know these things..

Actully they say he wil return before the last days quite a while before the day of judgement, He will retun to kill the Anti-Christ (dajjal).
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jc will return and fight side by side with imam el mahdi
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The Koran never mentions Jesus as the messiah anywhere. It considers him just another prophet who came to abrogate ( Yensakh) the Taourah by the bible which itself, according to Islam, has been abrogated (mansoukh) itself by the Koran.
I dont why are u taking such a negative attitude towards the issue, but I would like to point out ur MISTAKE when u said "The Koran never mentions Jesus as the messiah anywhere".The word "al masi7" was mentioned many times in the quran, for example:

آل عمران (45): "إذ قالت الملائكة يا مريم إن الله يبشرك بكلمة منه اسمه المسيح عيسى بن مريم وجيهاً في الدنيا والآخرة ومن المقربين".

سورة النساء (171): "إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله وكلمته ألقاها إلى مريم وروح منه"
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and that someone else "shoubbiha lahou" with the same body but maybe different soul, was crucified...
i wanna correct myself here..another one with same look but different body and soul was crucified instead, while JC was just tortured before disappearing..
for more info about this, i was given this reference in the Koran (sourat "al nisa2"-verse 157)
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I dont why are u taking such a negative attitude towards the issue, but I would like to point out ur MISTAKE when u said "The Koran never mentions Jesus as the messiah anywhere".The word "al masi7" was mentioned many times in the quran, for example:

آل عمران (45): "إذ قالت الملائكة يا مريم إن الله يبشرك بكلمة منه اسمه المسيح عيسى بن مريم وجيهاً في الدنيا والآخرة ومن المقربين".

سورة النساء (171): "إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله وكلمته ألقاها إلى مريم وروح منه"
thanks zevaco, quoting the Koran is important to prove things and avoid misunderstanding the religion..
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They claimed that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God! In fact, they never killed him; they never crucified him; they were led to believe that they did.
[ Quran 4:157 ]



3:55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.





Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. [ Quran 2:62 ]

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