Is Jesus a copy of Horus?

[DaManInChrist]

My friend, Osiris, and I were having a discussion in another thread about whether or not Jesus is a copy of Horus (an old character that was made up by ancient Egyptians way before Jesus appeared).

Our friend, Osiris, referred me to a book by Peter Del Manuelian that is supposed to support what he said in the other thread. Now, I have no idea what exactly is written in that book. So if I'm able to get a hold of the book (or at least a relevant sample of its contents), I will figure out what it says.

In the meantime, here's something I want to let Osiris know.

Osiris said the following:

Osiris/Horus: In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in “I and my Father are one.” Osiris flesh was eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the “plant of Truth.”

Osiris' "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, was called called "KRST," the "Anointed One".. born in a cave of the virgin Isis-Meri in 25 December, his earthly father name is Joseph, at age 12 he was a child teacher in temples and at 30 he was baptized, he performed miracles, he was killed by the forces of evil (his brother Seth), but he rose from the dead. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by his disciples on the Vernal Equinox... mmm Easter anyone?

Now what is posted above is something I very strongly doubt is true. The reason why is because, even before I became a Christian, I was into reading myths from ancient Egypt, from Mesopotamia, from ancient Greece, from Rome, from the Norse, etc.

And never once did I find anything in any of the myths I've read that show that Jesus is a copy of some pagan mythical character.

So, anyway, I will try to check what Peter Del Manuelian says in his book. In the meantime, if anyone has more evidences that show that Jesus is a copy of Horus, post them here.

Thanks in advance.

[Dalzi]

Jesus is Isa, the messiah, the son of Mary, the eternal everlasting soul of God. If they deny him on his second coming, they will perish; if they know him they will live eternity by his side.

How can anyone deny Jesus! His miracles were witnessed by humanity and they baffled the before and the after.

DaMan, ma halakouna bi those myths. Why isn't anyone worshiping Horus since he's the original Jesus? No fake and underserving figure survives; this is a fact.

[Omeros]

im gonna kill my self ....am i the holy trinity :P

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Omeros

im gonna kill my self ....am i the holy trinity :P

So you believe in the Trinity? Yes or no? Is Jesus "Horus" to you too?

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

So you believe in the Trinity? Yes or no? Is Jesus "Horus" to you too?

dalzi im kiding :):D
i was kiding hehhehehe
i belive in another theorie which is:
المثلث قي هذا العالم
اذا نظرت جيدا ترين ان العالم مركب من ثلاثيات حتى في اللغة الجذ هو ثلاث
لا اعرف التفسير ولم اتعمق بالفكرة لكن اؤمن ان الرقم ثلاث هو من مقدسات او من الغاز هذا العالم

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by DaManInChrist

My friend, Osiris, and I were having a discussion in another thread about whether or not Jesus is a copy of Horus (an old character that was made up by ancient Egyptians way before Jesus appeared).

Dear DaMan, Please tell me, where did you find me saying "a copy of Jesus"?
Omeros posted about "فكرة المسيح اصلا موجودة منذ الاف السنين"

Originally Posted by Omeros

لا اؤمن بالله كالله ....لكن اقول ان المسيح هو اعلى مرتبة من الكمال هو الكمال الانساني وهذا ما يجعل ربما منه اله .
المسيح بالنسبة لي فيلسوف من الدرجة الاولى ...رائد في مجال الثورة ....رما ثورته فادت كثر من البشرية ...لكن هل هو ابن الله ؟
ان كنت تعني بالله الكمال ...بما ان المسيح كامل ...اذا نعم هو ابن الله لا بل هو ربما الله مثل نيتشه ! او مثل جبران ...و فكرة المسيح اصلا موجودة منذ الاف السنين مع ملك مصري ربما او يوناني لا اذكر تحديدا وذاك الملك يقال عنه انه ولد من بتول ...وصلب

Then:

Originally Posted by Osiris

Many examples, it's not only Egyptian and Greek "gods" !

Many old civilizations gods were born on or very near to 25 December, in a cave, of a virgin mother.. Many of them were called "savior" and they rose from the dead.

Some examples:

Osiris/Horus: In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in “I and my Father are one.” Osiris flesh was eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the “plant of Truth.”

Osiris' "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, was called called "KRST," the "Anointed One".. born in a cave of the virgin Isis-Meri in 25 December, his earthly father name is Joseph, at age 12 he was a child teacher in temples and at 30 he was baptized, he performed miracles, he was killed by the forces of evil (his brother Seth), but he rose from the dead. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by his disciples on the Vernal Equinox... mmm Easter anyone?


Mithras: He was also born in a cave, in 25 December and you guessed it, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their "sin". He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God."


Krishna: Was born of the virgin Devaki in a cave, performed many miracles, healed.. "The crucified Krishna is pictured on the cross with arms extended. Pierced by an arrow while hanging on the cross, Krishna died, but descended into Hell from which He rose again on the third day and ascended into Heaven"

And many many other examples like Tammuz, Dionysus/Bacchus, Horus...


By the way, all these gods existed way before Jesus: Osiris appeared in the pyramid texts around 2400 BC, Mithras in the 2nd century BC.

mmmm.. interesting.

So, I urge you not to come up with your own interpretations about what I said and what I did not. All what I mentioned is that the main characteristics of Jesus (reincarnation, being born from a virgin...) were indeed present for thousands of years!

Meanwhile, and as I answered you, the proofs are still present in Hieroglyphs all across Egypt (mainly the Pyramid Texts). Check their translations.

Regards.

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

DaMan, ma halakouna bi those myths. Why isn't anyone worshiping Horus since he's the original Jesus? No fake and underserving figure survives; this is a fact.

Why they were all worshiping Horus thousands of years ago? Wen ken Alla? Why he let them worship a stone? I wonder..

And you are right, "no fake and undeserving figure survives", our mind is evolving and one day we're gonna come out with a myth better than this "God" thing.

Thousands of years ago, people worshiped a statuette, they were SO convinced of its superpower! They believed that it can do miracles, it can cure them.. They argued with people that questioned them just as you are arguing with me now! They were so convinced just as you are convinced with the idea of "God", who knows in about 100 years who will come and claim that he is the new "savior" or "prophet" or I dunno what.. Just like Moses, Jesus and Mohamed.

Bottom line, evolution happens in religion too..

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Why they were all worshiping Horus thousands of years ago? Wen ken Alla?

If you read the Qur'an, you'll know kif Allah 7ara2 dinon.

And you are right, "no fake and undeserving figure survives", our mind is evolving and one day we're gonna come out with a myth better than this "God" thing.

Too late, maximum 70 years left.

Thousands of years ago, people worshiped a statuette, they were SO convinced of its superpower! They believed that it can do miracles, it can cure them.. They argued with people that questioned them just as you are arguing with me now! They were so convinced just as you are convinced with the idea of "God", who knows in about 100 years who will come and claim that he is the new "savior" or "prophet" or I dunno what.. Just like Moses, Jesus and Mohamed.

Bottom line, evolution happens in religion too..

Intaha 3asr almu3jizat. We're heading towards the end; no more science, no more religion, no more fijli (with all due respect to Abufijli).

God always existed since Adam was born. There has always been true believers and dumb believers who bow down to rocks that can't move. There's a brain and there's a grain.

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

If you read the Qur'an, you'll know kif Allah 7ara2 dinon.

LOL !
Chou khasson!! I bet they all "went to hell" and are still burning ! 7aram !

Why he did not send his "son" or his "messenger" back then?? As far as know, Homo sapiens appeared about 250,000 years ago.. Strange don't you think? Where was "God" ?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Osiris

LOL !
Chou khasson!! I bet they all "went to hell" and are still burning ! 7aram !

Why he did not send his "son" or his "messenger" back then?? As far as know, Homo sapiens appeared about 250,000 years ago.. Strange don't you think? Where was "God" ?

He always sent people to everyone just as he did to you and to others. So where is he now? How come he gave us all something and we're still saying "where was God"??? Shou baddo yiji ybousna ta na3rfo! There were thousands of prophets!