is Jesus Christ a martyr? - The Orange Room

King Rami

the title says it all, and here it is once again: is Jesus Christ a martyr?

coralie

he died for a cause did nt he ? they killed him for a reason did nt they ? so yes he was a Martyr a human sacrifice .

Danny Z

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Originally Posted by coralie

he died for a cause did nt he ? they killed him for a reason did nt they ? so yes he was a Martyr a human sacrifice .

one people's marty is another people's terrorist

Apparently there is a documentary about his bones having been found with his wife and son. If this is true, it means he has not ressucitated and maybe the whole story is not true about him being killed for a cause but because he was frauding, however history is written not made, and the 4 men who wrote Jesus history made of him a martyr and hero, although this part of history might not have happened at all.
Whether somebody can rewrite history and make of him a fraud rather than a god remains to be seen, for now he is the martyr of christianity and fraud to judaism.
For me I don't care less of what he is, but i like the philosophy history associates to him

Dionysos

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Originally Posted by coralie

he died for a cause did nt he ? they killed him for a reason did nt they ? so yes he was a Martyr a human sacrifice .

If one is to apply your criteria, then so were Saddam Hussein and Mussolini; just to name a few!

freak

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Originally Posted by Danny Z

one people's marty is another people's terrorist

Apparently there is a documentary about his bones having been found with his wife and son. If this is true, it means he has not ressucitated and maybe the whole story is not true about him being killed for a cause but because he was frauding, however history is written not made, and the 4 men who wrote Jesus history made of him a martyr and hero, although this part of history might not have happened at all.

Can you tell me who discovered the grave and came to the conclusion? And what was the reaction of the archealogists to this?

Danny Z

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Originally Posted by freak

Can you tell me who discovered the grave and came to the conclusion? And what was the reaction of the archealogists to this?

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2007/02...b.html?ref=rss

freak

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Originally Posted by Danny Z

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2007/02...b.html?ref=rss

Thanks. .Let me quote to you from BBC, As it is more clear :

Jesus tomb found, says film-maker
Ossuary found in Jerusalem
A documentary claims this is the ossuary of Jesus Christ
Jesus had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, according to a new documentary by Hollywood film director James Cameron.

The film examines a tomb found near Jerusalem in 1980 which producers say belonged to Jesus and his family.

Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.

But Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.

Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.

But Mr Cameron said the combination of names found on the tombs convinced him of their heritage.

Danny Z

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Originally Posted by freak

Thanks. .Let me quote to you from BBC, As it is more clear :

Jesus tomb found, says film-maker
Ossuary found in Jerusalem
A documentary claims this is the ossuary of Jesus Christ
Jesus had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, according to a new documentary by Hollywood film director James Cameron.

The film examines a tomb found near Jerusalem in 1980 which producers say belonged to Jesus and his family.

Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.

But Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.

Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.

But Mr Cameron said the combination of names found on the tombs convinced him of their heritage.

Like I said history is written, nothing is proven anyway if the evidence had been overwhelming enough that Jesus existed the whole world would be christian by conviction.
Anyway the documentary is already available for you to see if you know how to find it.

coralie

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Originally Posted by Dionysos

If one is to apply your criteria, then so were Saddam Hussein and Mussolini; just to name a few!

what does Jesus Christ have in common with this two or the few you may name ?

the martydom and sacrifice of Jesus built and established a doctrine that invaded the world while those two or the other "few" died and their cause with them .

Aounist05

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Originally Posted by freak

Thanks. .Let me quote to you from BBC, As it is more clear :

Jesus tomb found, says film-maker
Ossuary found in Jerusalem
A documentary claims this is the ossuary of Jesus Christ
Jesus had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, according to a new documentary by Hollywood film director James Cameron.

The film examines a tomb found near Jerusalem in 1980 which producers say belonged to Jesus and his family.

Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.

But Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.

Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.

But Mr Cameron said the combination of names found on the tombs convinced him of their heritage.

Few days ago I watched a talkshow about this issue on CBC (Canada). They showed pictures of the alleged tomb and what was written on its side.
The hosted person said the following: if we twist our head and try to figure out what is written with the use of some imagination we can read "Yeshou" son of "yousef", in other words "Jesus son of Joseph". There are no other evidences where when these wrods were sculted on the tomb, besides these 2 names are very common so they can belong to any 2 people. In summary, that person said the whole story is a nonsense. There are no scientific evidences to back the theory that this is Jesus Tomb.

In here I want to say my own opinion:
- Until this day i have discovered that 6 people share my full name !!!
- How do we know to whom those bones belong to. We don't have Jesus DNA to compare it with the bones...

I really don't know why people rush to ready made conclusions...
PS. This is the same when it comes to believe miracles

regards