Jesus Camps: The Army of God

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by BOILER

When you reach a point allows you to differentiate Christianity from Christians, you'll be on the right track.
The actions of some Christians has nothing to do with Christianity, and all what you are saying has no value.

ربما لا قيمة له بالنسبة لك لا حقيقتك ليست هي حقيقتي ...ربما انت ترى من منظورك ان هذا قمة الضلال ومن منظوري كلامك هو قمة التهجم والضلال ...كل انسان وله مفهومه الخاص قد نتلاقى بشئ ونختلف باشياء من هنا ضرورة تقبل الاخر قبل تقبل فكر الاخر ..واعتقد ان هذا كانن هدف المسيح ( الطفل _ الرقيق الذي فدى نفسه من اجل الانسان وليس من اجل الله )

sorry !! i wont judge u :)

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Omeros

ربما لا قيمة له بالنسبة لك لا حقيقتك ليست هي حقيقتي ...ربما انت ترى من منظورك ان هذا قمة الضلال ومن منظوري كلامك هو قمة التهجم والضلال ...كل انسان وله مفهومه الخاص قد نتلاقى بشئ ونختلف باشياء من هنا ضرورة تقبل الاخر قبل تقبل فكر الاخر ..واعتقد ان هذا كانن هدف المسيح ( الطفل _ الرقيق الذي فدى نفسه من اجل الانسان وليس من اجل الله )

sorry !! i wont judge u :)

Do you beleive that Jesus Christ is the son of GOD?

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by DaManInChrist

The wrathful God in the OT is the same as the wrathful God in the NT. If God weren't so wrathful, why do you think Jesus died on the cross?

You have demonstrated the point I was trying to make.

[DaManInChrist]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

You have demonstrated the point I was trying to make.

What point?

Keep in mind that I don't support what the Jesus Camp teaches.

It's just that I don't like to compromise with what the Bible says (like many people do).

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by DaManInChrist

What point?

Keep in mind that I don't support what the Jesus Camp teaches.

It's just that I don't like to compromise with what the Bible says (like many people do).

I was told that the pentacostal churches are not accepted by evangelical churches, and they see it as a 'bid3a'.
Is this true?

[Dynamis]

Originally Posted by Dynamis

Guys...When will you understand what is going on? This is not an innocent invention...This is part of destroying christianity's image at the hands of the Zionists!!! This IS an ORGANIZED plan...



This is the Zionist plan to destroy Christiansinty by picturing Christians as wanting their own army and state. This is the Chsitian version of Zionisn!!!!!

This is why Zioninists support religous states: SO that they can justify their OWN sick philosphy of Zionsim. This is why Zionists support Wahabis, and these sicko so called Fundementalist NEo Nazi Zionist Chirtians.

Jesus had the opportunity to found a fighting army, and REJECTED it. Read the New Testament. Christianity does NOT have an Army. Jesus did NOT have an army. The crusades had no religous bases, and stil does NOT have any religous basis in Christianity. Our "Kingdom is NOt on this Earth". "Leave what is to Ceasar to Ceasar, and What is to God to God"...


Please listen to these guys: They have the same mentality as the Takfeerying Wahabis. The only true version of religion is theirs, and everybody else belongs to "dead church". and is not a follower of Jesus.

This is absolute non-sense. This is what the Zionists are doing to destroy the image of Chrstianity and transfoem it to become in their OWN image: a Religous Sectarian Fanatical Entity.

Beware guys...This is not a theological issue..

You are all falling in the trap...Both sides of the argument on this thread.


This is an organized Zionist plan to distort the image of Christianity. Why do you think they were waving the ISraeli flags, side by side with their made up "Chistrian Flag"?

Beware.

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by BOILER

Do you beleive that Jesus Christ is the son of GOD?

لا اؤمن بالله كالله ....لكن اقول ان المسيح هو اعلى مرتبة من الكمال هو الكمال الانساني وهذا ما يجعل ربما منه اله .
المسيح بالنسبة لي فيلسوف من الدرجة الاولى ...رائد في مجال الثورة ....رما ثورته فادت كثر من البشرية ...لكن هل هو ابن الله ؟
ان كنت تعني بالله الكمال ...بما ان المسيح كامل ...اذا نعم هو ابن الله لا بل هو ربما الله مثل نيتشه ! او مثل جبران ...و فكرة المسيح اصلا موجودة منذ الاف السنين مع ملك مصري ربما او يوناني لا اذكر تحديدا وذاك الملك يقال عنه انه ولد من بتول ...وصلب ....

[DaManInChrist]

Originally Posted by BOILER

I was told that the pentacostal churches are not accepted by evangelical churches, and they see it as a 'bid3a'.
Is this true?

It depends. There are many variations within pentecostalism. Some might be biblical ... some might be not. Although I strongly disagree with the pentecostal teaching that a person will inevitably speak in tongues once he is baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Personally, I reject the teachings of any local church (whether pentecostal or evangelical or non-denominational or other) that are not biblical. Even if the pastor of the local church that I attend teaches something unbiblical, I will not accept it.

[DaManInChrist]

Originally Posted by Omeros

لا اؤمن بالله كالله ....لكن اقول ان المسيح هو اعلى مرتبة من الكمال هو الكمال الانساني وهذا ما يجعل ربما منه اله .

John 8:24

لِذلِكَ قُلْتُ لَكُمْ: سَتَمُوتُونَ فِي خَطَايَاكُمْ، لأَنَّكُمْ إِذَا لَمْ تُؤْمِنُوا بِأَنِّي أَنَا هُوَ، تَمُوتُونَ فِي خَطَايَاكُمْ».

المسيح بالنسبة لي فيلسوف من الدرجة الاولى ...رائد في مجال الثورة ....رما ثورته فادت كثر من البشرية ...لكن هل هو ابن الله ؟

Jesus is not a philosopher, for philosophers search for the truth. But Jesus Christ said that He is the truth.

ان كنت تعني بالله الكمال ...بما ان المسيح كامل ...اذا نعم هو ابن الله لا بل هو ربما الله مثل نيتشه ! او مثل جبران ...و فكرة المسيح اصلا موجودة منذ الاف السنين مع ملك مصري ربما او يوناني لا اذكر تحديدا وذاك الملك يقال عنه انه ولد من بتول ...وصلب ....

Awwal shi, Nietzsche and Gibran are not perfect because they've sinned (according to the Bible).

Tene shi, what Egyptian/Greek king are you talking about?

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by DaManInChrist

Tene shi, what Egyptian/Greek king are you talking about?

Many examples, it's not only Egyptian and Greek "gods" !

Many old civilizations gods were born on or very near to 25 December, in a cave, of a virgin mother.. Many of them were called "savior" and they rose from the dead.

Some examples:

Osiris/Horus: In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in “I and my Father are one.” Osiris flesh was eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the “plant of Truth.”

Osiris' "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, was called called "KRST," the "Anointed One".. born in a cave of the virgin Isis-Meri in 25 December, his earthly father name is Joseph, at age 12 he was a child teacher in temples and at 30 he was baptized, he performed miracles, he was killed by the forces of evil (his brother Seth), but he rose from the dead. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by his disciples on the Vernal Equinox... mmm Easter anyone?


Mithras: He was also born in a cave, in 25 December and you guessed it, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their "sin". He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God."


Krishna: Was born of the virgin Devaki in a cave, performed many miracles, healed.. "The crucified Krishna is pictured on the cross with arms extended. Pierced by an arrow while hanging on the cross, Krishna died, but descended into Hell from which He rose again on the third day and ascended into Heaven"

And many many other examples like Tammuz, Dionysus/Bacchus, Horus...


By the way, all these gods existed way before Jesus: Osiris appeared in the pyramid texts around 2400 BC, Mithras in the 2nd century BC.

mmmm.. interesting.