Jesus Camps: The Army of God

[DaManInChrist]

Originally Posted by Osiris

So, if I don't abide by Jesus, I will be cast as a branch, withered.. then men will gather me and cast me into the fire and I am burned!

No, dear friend. No human has the right to do that with you. Jesus is clear on that.

But please beware the wrath of God! According to the Bible, His wrath will fall on those who reject Jesus till the end. I'm saying this out of love ... not out of any negative feelings.

But, anyway, you are free to do what you want and believe what you want.

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Omeros

اسمعت يوما بقدرة الدماغ ؟؟؟؟
الذكاء الموجود في الدماغ قد ينمى بفضل شعور الشوق وهذا الشوق ....يجعلنا نرى ما لا يرى ...نخلق ما لا يخلق ...وبرب واحد وبارباب كثير ...
هذه قوة الشوق وهي بلوة الانسان

Could you please elaborate more on your statement?
I understand perfectly what you're trying to portray, but an elaboration is needed for me to answer you. Thanks. In your beautiful Arabic if you may.

[Chrysostomos]

Originally Posted by Omeros

اسمعت يوما بقدرة الدماغ ؟؟؟؟
الذكاء الموجود في الدماغ قد ينمى بفضل شعور الشوق وهذا الشوق ....يجعلنا نرى ما لا يرى ...نخلق ما لا يخلق ...وبرب واحد وبارباب كثير ...
هذه قوة الشوق وهي بلوة الانسان

I always had passion to see Beirut similar to Paris, but hey, my brain couldn't work out to make me see what i seek.

I always had passion to see my Volvo similar to the newest Ferrari Enzo, but hey, my brain coldn't work out to make me see what i seek.

I always had passion to see good intentions from everyone, but her, my brain couldn't work out to make me see what i seek.

The brain is so powerful but it can't change the reality beyond its framework.

Now about the 6 visionaries of Medjugorje, even the communist regime back to the early 80s (in Bosnia Herzegovinia) did conclude that something supernatural is going on with the visionaries (the best professors there concluded that these ppl were listening to the same voices according to the motion of their ear drums, and, they were seeying the same figure according to the motion of their eyes)

[Chrysostomos]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

You might say 'but Jesus came and....' we know where that goes. But that is only to you; why should your interpretation of the message of Christ be taken with more validity than the fundamentalist's who believes the wrathful God in the OT is still incarnated within the teachings of Christ.
I mean, isn't he having faith, just as he was taught to? Whats he doing wrong, according to his faith? Who are you - just another person of faith - to judge him on that?

When asked what was the greatest commandment, Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:37-41)

This Love is non-discriminating, has no pre-conditions, and is something that one decides to do. Saint Paul described love as follows: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails" (1Corinthians 13:4-8a).


Finally, about judging others, we must not judge ( Matt. 7:1) and that we may not cast a stone because we are no better than the other person
(John. 8:7).
How and where did i judge anyone?
If i did so , i ask forgiveness from the mean person and from Jesus Himself.

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

I hope you get my point.

I got it.
Regards

[DaManInChrist]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

You might say 'but Jesus came and....' we know where that goes. But that is only to you; why should your interpretation of the message of Christ be taken with more validity than the fundamentalist's who believes the wrathful God in the OT is still incarnated within the teachings of Christ.

The wrathful God in the OT is the same as the wrathful God in the NT. If God weren't so wrathful, why do you think Jesus died on the cross?

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Order

ano why would you say that those things don't exist
ano do you think all people are really doing what jesus asked us to do

Where did you see anyone saything this?

ano do you think their aren't any sects in the christian religion ??
ano all christians are prefect or what ??

Are you for real?
Are we playing here?
If someone was born as a christian, does it automatically means he will live as a christian?

don't forget that people often do what the church ask them to do and they believe blindly
but what do you have to tell me about the period when the pops used to sell places in heaven ??
and what about the crusaiders ??
ano was this what jesus asked us to do ?
no

It's their problem, not yours, and about crusaiders, The POPE John Paul 2 condemned these acts and apologized, for these brutal non religous acts, just like Bush thinks himself he's a messanger from GOD now.

but some times humains fail too and they do things in the name of jesus while he wouldn't approve that

and as some people follow blindy they just do what clerics tell them to do

The bible is a word of love and peace, if someone fails to see this, it's his/her probelm.
Regards.

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

God in the OT is a pretty vindictive dictator, who relishes upon the genocide and mass-extermination of his own creation.

You might say 'but Jesus came and....' we know where that goes. But that is only to you; why should your interpretation of the message of Christ be taken with more validity than the fundamentalist's who believes the wrathful God in the OT is still incarnated within the teachings of Christ.

I mean, isn't he having faith, just as he was taught to? Whats he doing wrong, according to his faith? Who are you - just another person of faith - to judge him on that?

I hope you get my point.

اريد ان اضيف :
ان كان الله او المسيحية دين محبة وسلام وحب ومسامحة .....لم كل هذا الحقد والكراهية والمادية وكل اشكال الشر في العالم لم هناك طفل يبكي من الجوع ام تعمل في البغاء من اجل قوت ابنها طفلة تكبر باكية ...لم ؟
اذا ما كانت المسيحية دين الحب لم بتنا نعرف الشيطان اكثر من الله ....
لم؟
لا احد يجيب الا بكلمات ...انظروا للواقع هناك ما يعرف بالدراسة الواقعية ومن الدراسة الواقعية السوسيولوجية نفهم ان لا اله وان كان موجودا فهو اما شيطان يتلذذ في تعزيب ابنائه او هو يقضي معظم وقته نائما

[Omeros]

boiler ...dave...damanichrist....:
i was giving an answers bas u dont know my point :

المسيح لا مشكل شخصي بيني وبينه انو ما ضربني ولا شي .... مشكلتي مع هؤلاء المتقوقعون فكريا ...مشكلتي من ياخذون الامور دون تحليلها
نظرتي للمسيح والمسيح ليس المسيحية الشركة ...تختلف وربما هي اجمل من الفلسفة الاصلية ..افكر احد ان يسالني ..لا !!!!! ابدا تلهيتم بتكسير الرؤؤس واثبات من الاقوى هنا ..وهذه مشكلة العالم العربي هو لا يسمع فقظ وفقط وفقط يتصرف حسب غريزته الدينية
على كل حال ان احب احدكم يا اصدقائي ان يسالني فليسال وسيسمع ارق جواب

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Omeros

اريد ان اضيف :
ان كان الله او المسيحية دين محبة وسلام وحب ومسامحة .....لم كل هذا الحقد والكراهية والمادية وكل اشكال الشر في العالم لم هناك طفل يبكي من الجوع ام تعمل في البغاء من اجل قوت ابنها طفلة تكبر باكية ...لم ؟
اذا ما كانت المسيحية دين الحب لم بتنا نعرف الشيطان اكثر من الله ....
لم؟
لا احد يجيب الا بكلمات ...انظروا للواقع هناك ما يعرف بالدراسة الواقعية ومن الدراسة الواقعية السوسيولوجية نفهم ان لا اله وان كان موجودا فهو اما شيطان يتلذذ في تعزيب ابنائه او هو يقضي معظم وقته نائما

In other words, if christianity doesn't exist, all this hatered and envy and all the evil in the world will disappear, and the world will be a better place.
Thanks for your efforts.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Omeros

boiler ...dave...damanichrist....:
i was giving an answers bas u dont know my point :

المسيح لا مشكل شخصي بيني وبينه انو ما ضربني ولا شي .... مشكلتي مع هؤلاء المتقوقعون فكريا ...مشكلتي من ياخذون الامور دون تحليلها
نظرتي للمسيح والمسيح ليس المسيحية الشركة ...تختلف وربما هي اجمل من الفلسفة الاصلية ..افكر احد ان يسالني ..لا !!!!! ابدا تلهيتم بتكسير الرؤؤس واثبات من الاقوى هنا ..وهذه مشكلة العالم العربي هو لا يسمع فقظ وفقط وفقط يتصرف حسب غريزته الدينية
على كل حال ان احب احدكم يا اصدقائي ان يسالني فليسال وسيسمع ارق جواب

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When you reach a point allows you to differentiate Christianity from Christians, you'll be on the right track.
The actions of some Christians has nothing to do with Christianity, and all what you are saying has no value.