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I know that there are exceptions, as I said Life is a big teacher, and anyone can change.

Abufijli, stop nagging and admit that your spouse is just better in everything, and your improvement is her merit:D
There is no doubt that marriage and fatherhood has made me and my wife better people. But this did not happen because we trained each other like dogs, it cam about from mutual respect and understanding each other, yes my spouse is better than me at doing certain things such as parenting, and I am better at other things such as driving, we complete each other. This is how it should be, not silly traning and mind games inside a marriage.

Take it from me, I am honest, enter your marriage without thinking about mind games, they will backfire at you. Marriage is the end of those games we play while dating.

If I think my wife istrying to train me like this I would seriously consider leaving her for her best friend.
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There is no doubt that marriage and fatherhood has made me and my wife better people. But this did not happen because we trained each other like dogs, it cam about from mutual respect and understanding each other, yes my spouse is better than me at doing certain things such as parenting, and I am better at other things such as driving, we complete each other. This is how it should be, not silly traning and mind games inside a marriage.

Take it from me, I am honest, enter your marriage without thinking about mind games, they will backfire at you. Marriage is the end of those games we play while dating.
I think you do take the article too seriously:D

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If I think my wife istrying to train me like this I would seriously consider leaving her for her best friend.
I hope your wife will never read this reference to her best friend...
So how does she persuade you to put away dirty socks? (it can be any other issue, this example is just symbolic)
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If I think my wife istrying to train me like this I would seriously consider leaving her for her best friend.
haha!I bet you she's training you on daily basis w enta have not you felt it yet,is that possible?
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Interesting topic indeed. this writer/trainer, is a journalist, not sociologist nor pyschologist, who is into making extra bucks and expanding her fame in the process. Otherwise, how come it never clicks those real animal trainers to do just what she did and prbably apply on their own man or woman?.
IMO, the biological difference in man and woman is not trivial. this difference is a major reason why We men tend to like biology while women love chemistry. Women are more sophisticated and sustainable biologically, psycologically and sociologically than men and this is reflected in their endurance in mostly man dominated world, less prone to mental illenss vs. age, and endure hardship than man can do.
Man was conditioned for long time to be the provider so he goes out and "hunt" for food to provide for his family, single task oriented. woman on the other side, has to make this food edible and presented in an appelaing way to the family, also she needs to take care of babies(another man or woman), attend to her house, etc., y3ani multitasks oriented.
with time changing and woman entering into work force the rate of change on man mentality was not as fast as rate of work equality and competition-nowadays women outnumbers men in colleges-happy ladies!!!. So this is why sometimes you find man unwilling to help in the house because unconsciensly our duties are over once we enter the doorstep, this was going on for long long time. it is changing but not as fast as women want
the way i see it, is that it is not about the sock being there for days, not taking the laundry to the washer even if he stumbles by it it is about our mind set, we like to have maximum entropy; women like to have maximum equlibrium. It is funny but amazing how man can be easily swayed by woman to do what she wants even if he is against the idea in the first place. in the same token, isn't amazing that a sophisticated women can be swayed by nice and simple gestures and words from plain man.
overall, i believe that man and woman can be complimentary to each others, share responsibilities where needed, forgive when least expected, and flavor their life with simplicity, hope and most improtant with lot of love. At the end, it always work out for the better of humanity when these factors are present. And most if you have childern you better give them an equal or improved example relationship than the one you experienced when you were kid because they will eventually be the torchbearer.
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Salome: They can not be equal. Only delusional people think that the only difference between men and women is in their sexual biology. Don't get me wrong. One woman could be better than 1000 men and vice versa, but they can never be equal the way it is portrayed today in western literature and social culture.
I completely agree.

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This is rediculous, you can not train a man as if he is your dog, you women are taking things too far, if a woman tries to train me I would break her neck and feed it to the dogs. Stop insulting our intelligence!
Why do you take it as an offence? Many men need training because they haven't been trained properly by their mothers.
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I completely agree.
Interesting to hear this from a woman. Can you explain why?

Biological/physical differences are not debatable of course.

But above this why to differentiate?

"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights." - I suppose women are humans too.

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"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty."


It is sad to see there are men and some women who do not support equal rights socially and politically for women.
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i don't like the word training we don't train eachother but we support eachother in all means..a man can't be trained to do things neither a woman we do it with love or we don't..some men enjoy lending hands to their wives and opposite way round and others don't ..
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Interesting to hear this from a woman. Can you explain why?

Biological/physical differences are not debatable of course.
Those to start with. They're biologically different; that's a "huge" difference.

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But above this why to differentiate?

"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights." - I suppose women are humans too.

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"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty."


It is sad to see there are men and some women who do not support equal rights socially and politically for women.
It's not about rights! A man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man, each has a role in this world. They complete each other. They're very different, two different species :D. A woman's a diamond, a man's a stone, and without women there's no Jesus . It's not about control and power over each other. Why does it have to be a struggle? We're different for a purpose. I look down on sissy men and I don't like manly women. I see that some places are more fit for men while others are more fit for women.

Truly, i detest those crazy lesbian-like feminists who want to grow muscles.
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It's not about rights! A man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man, each has a role in this world. They complete each other. They're very different, two different species :D. A woman's a diamond, a man's a stone, and without women there's no Jesus . It's not about control and power over each other. Why does it have to be a struggle? We're different for a purpose. I look down on sissy men and I don't like manly women. I see that some places are more fit for men while others are more fit for women.

Truly, i detest those crazy lesbian-like feminists who want to grow muscles.
You say its not about rights, still many accept women having less salary for the same job. How is that fair.

Of course there are biological differences, who is debating that?? And of course there are certain professions which requires rather male or female workers.
Rather it is about advocating for equal social and political rights, only asking for to respect the universal human rights. As in many places it exists on paper only, you dont need to look too far to notice it.

And you dont need to be a hairy ugly feminist to advocate for women rights.
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And you dont need to be a hairy ugly feminist to advocate for women rights.
But the fact is that you dont see elegant and classy women advocating women "rights"...
Salome, I am not trying to disagree with everything you say :) , I want to make it clear. I just find interesting that women with regal behaviours do not seem to fight for feminist topics. :)
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