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So as suggested by using the feminine way:D

Like for example, he leaves his dirty socks on the floor all over the flat. If you go and shout with him for that, he just wont listen. But if you address him in a kind feminine way, and tell him nicely but seriously that he makes you so upset by leaving all his dirty socks around, then he might listen more. Maybe next time he will leave just half of his dirty socks on the floor, but you still dont go and shout about the rest, but rather praise him and tell how impressed you are, he can get a kiss too:p So as the article suggested it is a kind of conditioning, like teaching good reflexes.
I dont know if anything else would work with lazy men:D
In other words, treat him like a little kid . This method would work if he's a husband, but not a brother :b. Shouting is horrible. If I were a man and she shouts at me, i'd divorce her in an instant lol.
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However there are some truth in the article, hints about how the feminine ways always can reach changes by the men.
You have never experienced this?
No, I haven't, because my men are always very respectful. I don't want to change anyone as I wouldn't like he tried to change me. A woman can make a man be more tender but she won't change his behaviour at home duties.

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how mommy treated him as a kid, or how he helped or did not help at home will not affect his later life decisively by all means
Yes, it will I understand it's more pleasant to think they will change but the best thing a single woman can do before she gets married is to study how he behaves at home with her mother.

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How do we treat (since the term "train" is considered animalistic lol) lazy men? Beyond treatment i suppose...
Treatment, when they are children. But when they are adults you must study his behaviour. If he doesn't help at home you have two choices:

- you marry him but then don't complain
- you advice him "I won't tolerate to do everything alone!" Maybe-maybe he won't forget these words.

The best thing to do is to marry a responsable young man who sees his wife as a queen and not as a slave. That's the best thing I can write here because that's what my happy experience of marriage taught me.
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So as suggested by using the feminine way:D

Like for example, he leaves his dirty socks on the floor all over the flat. If you go and shout with him for that, he just wont listen. But if you address him in a kind feminine way, and tell him nicely but seriously that he makes you so upset by leaving all his dirty socks around, then he might listen more. Maybe next time he will leave just half of his dirty socks on the floor, but you still dont go and shout about the rest, but rather praise him and tell how impressed you are, he can get a kiss too:p So as the article suggested it is a kind of conditioning, like teaching good reflexes.
I dont know if anything else would work with lazy men:D
But why do you have to ask him nicely? Is he your master to whom you have to ask "softly and gently" to not leave his socks on the floor? I mean, if you talk like that, then it's like if you were asking him a favour.
It's his duty as a husband to know that he can't leave his socks on the floor... I don't see why we have to kiss them just because they did what they should. Anyway, that's just my personal opinion.
If my husband left his sock around I would simply tell him "My love, you forgot your socks there".
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But why do you have to ask him nicely? Is he your master to whom you have to ask "softly and gently" to not leave his socks on the floor? I mean, if you talk like that, then it's like if you were asking him a favour.
It's his duty as a husband to know that he can't leave his socks on the floor... I don't see why we have to kiss them just because they did what they should. Anyway, that's just my personal opinion.
If my husband left his sock around I would simply tell him "My love, you forgot your socks there".
ha ha thats cute, and he would answer? Yes I know sweety, I will put it away later... (never:D)

Not all men are perfect () and just because he leaves his socks on the floor (and yes it is so disgusting) he still can be a good man. So with these men you have to find a solution how to live with them together. And this habit certainly I would want to change in him, its not his core personality what can not be changed, its just a bad habit.


Dalzi,

arent all men like big baby boys?:D They like to be taken care of and pampered, they need sweetness and tenderness.
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Treatment, when they are children. But when they are adults you must study his behaviour. If he doesn't help at home you have two choices:

- you marry him but then don't complain
- you advice him "I won't tolerate to do everything alone!" Maybe-maybe he won't forget these words.
I prefer to study for my university modules than to study his behaviour lol. You can change people Claudia. You truly can change the bad habits with a nice approach. Humans always seek improvement, and it's possible to get rid of old ugly habits with time. But of course you don't marry someone with something you can't tolerate. There are things you can ignore, things you can change, and things you just can't live with :D. Take a man who doesn't talk for example; sits there all the time so quiet with nothing to be said . So borning. If you marry that kind (not that you'd be attracted to him in the first place lol), you have to live with meditation forever .

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The best thing to do is to marry a responsable young man who sees his wife as a queen and not as a slave. That's the best thing I can write here because that's what my happy experience of marriage taught me.
If he cleans the house, i'd have to clean it after him lol. So why trouble him? 7aram nta33bo 3al fade . Women are more talented when it comes to domestic duties lol.

I believe in mutual respect. If there's respect (and love), there's everything and everything is negotiable :D.

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Dalzi,

arent all men like big baby boys?:D They like to be taken care of and pampered, they need sweetness and tenderness.
Aren't women like big baby girls? They like to be cared for and pampered, they need sweetness and tenderness? ;). I guess we're all babies lol.
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Aren't women like big baby girls? They like to be cared for and pampered, they need sweetness and tenderness? ;). I guess we're all babies lol.
Basically yes, but its not the same as for guys. I do think women can take much more than men, are more resistant and bigger survivors.
We do need attention of course, but different type what men need. As I said men will be happy with sweetness and tenderness, while women need attention, understanding, a presence, small gestures...

I would have thought earlier too that surely both women and men need just the same in a relationship, but its not true, we need different tones and shades of expression.
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Real men are rare then .
More than you can imagine, Dalzi.
When we are between men, you can't imagine how some people talk about women they met, how they attracted them by these or those words.
You can't imagine also how some married men talk about their wives. Maybe when i'll get married i'll be like them, lol, but i think it's in the most, a matter of education. I really think that how our parents treated each other will influence us in our lives.
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So as suggested by using the feminine way:D

Like for example, he leaves his dirty socks on the floor all over the flat. If you go and shout with him for that, he just wont listen. But if you address him in a kind feminine way, and tell him nicely but seriously that he makes you so upset by leaving all his dirty socks around, then he might listen more. Maybe next time he will leave just half of his dirty socks on the floor, but you still dont go and shout about the rest, but rather praise him and tell how impressed you are, he can get a kiss too:p So as the article suggested it is a kind of conditioning, like teaching good reflexes.
I dont know if anything else would work with lazy men:D
Lol, the feminine way!!

No man stands aggressive woman. Even if some men are attracted sometimes to a strong woman but they never accept to have her as wife because every man looks for a quiet and relaxing life.
And btw, what's the big deal if he left his socks on the ground? Enno marr2oulna yeha ya 3amme

I don't pretend to be a very tidy man but i promise that mother tought me how to do my bed and how to iron my clothes, lol, because she didn't had a daughter, she always wanted me to help her (eh, ma kenet mghannaj )
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How about training him on the art of massage, manicure and pedicure, romantic dinners and the like. Would he have been a real man according to the feminists? I think yes. Feminists corrupted women more than they think.
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