How the BigBang proves the existence of God.

[drmaalouf]

This thread was started as a response to Orangina, who asked how the bigbang proves God.

I am gonna simplify it to the maximum, because getting into the specifics requires high knowledge of physics.

The majority of the scientific community backs the BigBang theory as an explanation of the start of our universe. This has been more and more proved by studied the background temperature of the universe (thermodynamics law, cooling of the universe,...), the continual expansion of the universe, the high tech telescopes etc.. etc...

Now as to how it proves God. Simple. Big Bang states that our universe started as a singularity. It is NOT stable. It's changing, growing from a single ultra ultra minuscle point of extreme energy gradually expanding to form our universe. Now, something CANNOT come out of nothing. Physics has proved that our universe has a start, and is NOT eternal: it is changing. Thus, that singularity exploding concidences with the Bible (and Quran and Torah) explanation of how God created the universe: he seeded that minuscule singularity. No other explanation.

I'll jump ahead to your other question Orangina : Tab, who created God?!

Answer: No one. He is eternal. Non changing, always have been, always will. He is out of the TIME dimension. Remember time dimension started with space (theory of relativity). Thus if something has NO time dimension, his eternal existence is logical. (something hard for us to grasp how something simply exist, but not illogical if you consider the physics theories).

[Orangina]

Originally Posted by drmaalouf

This thread was started as a response to Orangina, who asked how the bigbang proves God.

I am gonna simplify it to the maximum, because getting into the specifics requires high knowledge of physics.

The majority of the scientific community backs the BigBang theory as an explanation of the start of our universe. This has been more and more proved by studied the background temperature of the universe (thermodynamics law, cooling of the universe,...), the continual expansion of the universe, the high tech telescopes etc.. etc...

Now as to how it proves God. Simple. Big Bang states that our universe started as a singularity. It is NOT stable. It's changing, growing from a single ultra ultra minuscle point of extreme energy gradually expanding to form our universe. Now, something CANNOT come out of nothing. Physics has proved that our universe has a start, and is NOT eternal: it is changing. Thus, that singularity exploding concidences with the Bible (and Quran and Torah) explanation of how God created the universe: he seeded that minuscule singularity. No other explanation.

I'll jump ahead to your other question Orangina : Tab, who created God?!

Answer: No one. He is eternal. Non changing, always have been, always will. He is out of the TIME dimension. Remember time dimension started with space (theory of relativity). Thus if something has NO time dimension, his eternal existence is logical. (something hard for us to grasp how something simply exist, but not illogical if you consider the physics theories).

Dr. maalouf

thank you for this explanation, which in my humble opinion contains many many contradictions!

first you say everything comes for something...then you say god was not created by something, he is eternal and stable with time!

ok...

i have another question!

how do you imagine god dr?

[drmaalouf]

Originally Posted by Orangina

first you say everything comes for something...then you say god was not created by something, he is eternal and stable with time!

You are misquoting me. I said ''Something CANNOT come out of nothing''. Meaning, if something is created (for example the universe), it cannot be self created. It has to have a cause. This doesnt contradict my other idea : God was NOT created, he didnt ''come out of nothing''. BIG difference. He simply exists. No contradiction here my friend.

Originally Posted by Orangina

how do you imagine god dr?

I believe God to be a being (not some immaterial force): he is intelligent beyond our wildest dreams, all powerful, he has his nature, his character, he is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, all loving...simply, PERFECT. Simply look at that universe, and you'll see the touch of his hands.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by drmaalouf

... Now, something CANNOT come out of nothing

Are you sure about this? Is there any proof for that, or just some thesis which is arguing in favor of it?

[Orangina]

Originally Posted by drmaalouf

You are misquoting me. I said ''Something CANNOT come out of nothing''. Meaning, if something is created (for example the universe), it cannot be self created. It has to have a cause. This doesnt contradict my other idea : God was NOT created, he didnt ''come out of nothing''. BIG difference. He simply exists. No contradiction here my friend.



I believe God to be a being (not some immaterial force): he is intelligent beyond our wildest dreams, all powerful, he has his nature, his character, he is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, all loving...simply, PERFECT. Simply look at that universe, and you'll see the touch of his hands.

Who told you that god was not created?? how do you explain that?

so god is the prefection??

How do you explain the acts of god (the prefect creature) on earth?

[drmaalouf]

Originally Posted by Stella23

Are you sure about this? Is there any proof for that, or just some thesis which is arguing in favor of it?

It's the basis of all our reality, of ALL of scientific theories (unless you don't believe in science): the cause-effect law. Now I read some articles attempting to show that something can come out of nothing, they all have failed misrably. Not one single exception has been found. Scientifically, philosophically, mathematically, etc.. etc.. something out of nothing is impossible.

Now, you would say maybe we havent found it yet. Ok. But for now, would you go building your beliefs on ''maybe probably perhaps'' long shot theories? Meaning, do you build your beliefs on a ''maybe'' that is never found yet? ALL the data so far points to this : something cannot come out of nothing. Untill it has been disproved, it is only wise to build on the current data we have.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by drmaalouf

It's the basis of all our reality, of ALL of scientific theories (unless you don't believe in science): the cause-effect law. Now I read some articles attempting to show that something can come out of nothing, they all have failed misrably. Not one single exception has been found. Scientifically, philosophically, mathematically, etc.. etc.. something out of nothing is impossible.

Now, you would say maybe we havent found it yet. Ok. But for now, would you go building your beliefs on ''maybe probably perhaps'' long shot theories? Meaning, do you build your beliefs on a ''maybe'' that is never found yet? ALL the data so far points to this : something cannot come out of nothing. Untill, it has been disproved, it is only wise to build on the current data we have.

Well I wouldnt take a theory for granted which neither cant be proved nor disproved.

I believe in that everything is possible, we shall be open for new things instead of creating dogmas. How do you know that those theories we take for granted now wont be shattered in the future? As we lack the proper means, ie means independent from us, to measure the universe, we cant state that our theories are perfect nor that they are proved.
The string theory is one of the bests so far describing our universe, but I guess far from perfect. We still think in space and time dimensions, how do we know for sure that its not just an illusion? A man-made measure again?

[Mey]

dr maalouf, I am a believer myself, but where do you prove that God exists ?

I mean I believe that God exists, but thats my belief and I cannot CONCRETELY prove it to anyone.

[drmaalouf]

Originally Posted by Stealla23

I believe in that everything is possible, we shall be open for new things instead of creating dogmas

I never said otherwise. Science is changing. But I have to take a stand and not simply wait for some probably coming theories. Like in medicine, you have to work with the data you have available, and when it changes, adapt to the changes. Note that I have said "Until it has been disproved, it is only wise to build on the current data we have"

We cannot go on building our beliefs on ''conspiracy'' theories or ''to come'' proofs. We work with what we have. And up until the time of posting of this message, current theories says something cannot come out of nothing. :)

[GeaGea SkyWalkeR]

Then He (Allah) turned to the sky while it was smoke, and ordered it the earth to come into being willingly or unwillingly, they answered: we do come in willing obedience*" (41: 11)



It was all a cloud og gass eg .. SMOKE
explains the big bang, The BIg bang dose prove there IS a GOD,

I doubt MAN knew that the earth eas created from a big bang 1400 years ago,


There is tones of EVIDENCE in the quran and the bible,