The Holy Trinity

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I open this thread, because the Holy Trinity and Jesus the son of God is totally misunderstood by people due to false teachings.

Jesus is the living Word, and through the Word of God, you are saved.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:1-14

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” John 17:5

YHVH ("I Am That I Am" and Hebrew for the Sacred Name of God), Yahshua (Hebrew for God's Saviour Jesus).

Whoever is confused about the Holy Trinity, it's very simple. First you have to understand the three earth ages; we are currently living in the second earth age. The first earth age is when Satan’s rebellion occurred, and this is why we find ourselves here in the flesh today. The third earth age is the eternal kingdom and the end of Satan and evil.

All souls were created by our Father, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5 Another example: "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." Ephesians 1:4

"God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Genesis 1:26. This is God as Eloyhim talking about the creation of man in the flesh in the second earth age, in likeness to our image as we appeared in the spiritual form with our unique attributes. In the first earth age, God created us in His image (basic outward form, not to his attributes) in our spiritual bodies, that’s why God calls us his children, because he created us in his basic image, but calls Jesus the only begotten son, because Jesus’ outward form is unique to God "In whom we have redemption through his blood even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15. Please note every creature=all creation, as written in the original Greek. “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” John 14:9-11. Jesus is made in the image of God himself, unique to his outward form and attributes. That’s not to say that Jesus and God are the same individual, “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.” Hebrews 1:3-6. This is what is meant by Christ the son of God. The Lord did not sleep with anyone to give birth to a son, and anyone suggesting this preposterous idea either can’t read properly or is plain ignorant, like the author of a certain book. And how the Prophet Ezra came into the picture as the son of God is beyond me; but maybe that’s because sincerity was not part of the agenda of the author. This author dictating his hallucinations to the writer happened to be illiterate, but most likely he was following in the footsteps of his ancestors, who are masterful in twisting God’s Word. Spirituality and creation is different than flesh and giving birth.

Regarding the Holy Spirit:

When you speak the Truth it is the Holy Spirit manifesting Himself through you. "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." Matthew 10:20. The meaning, of course, refers to the Holy Spirit which notes, "but when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do you premeditate; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost." Mark 13:11

[Claudia]

Thanks Caesar for this new interesting thread.

Although I think what you wrote is correct I don't think the Holy Trinity is very simple to understand. It's easy to Believe, but not to understand, that's why we call it a Mystery.

Muslims and Jews denie the Holy Trinity. That's why I don't understand why JP II wanted so much the ecumenism between catholics and non-Christians. We differ in so many things.
To understand the Holy Trinity you must believe in Christ as the Son of God. Jews consider Jesus a farce, and Muslims a Prophet, but not as the Son of God. Anyway, Muslims also pray to Mary and they don't reject Jesus, so I as a Catholic would prefer to pray in a Mosque than in a Synagogue.

The Holy Trinity is God and is composed by 3 Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are different, and independent from each other, there is no hierarchy among them, and each of them has a specific mission (Father: the creation; The Son: Salvation; The Spirit: Purification or Sanctification).
But they always act together: When the Father sent His Son, this happened with the "agreement" of the Son and the Spirit; When Jesus offered His life to save us, He was offering himself to the Father and sending us he Spirit, who came to sanctifies us. Although they are 3 different Persons (who cry, laugh, smile, and have all the emotions of a Person - except sinning), they act together in perfect harmony and in Perfect Unity. This Unity of these 3 Persons is called God.

They can be compared with a Triangle. God is a triangle, formed by three angles: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You can't accept Jesus and then reject the Spirit because you are rejecting God. You can't accept the Father and reject the Son either.

Lucifer was an angel who knew the light of God but he didn't love It. By the Gospels we know Lucifer accept Jesus as Son of God. But he didn't accept the light of the Father nor the Love of the Spirit. By other words, he made a separation between the Light (God) from the Truth (Son) and the Love (Spirit). This was why he was punished with Hell.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Claudia

Thanks Caesar for this new interesting thread.

Although I think what you wrote is correct I don't think the Holy Trinity is very simple to understand. It's easy to Believe, but not to understand, that's why we call it a Mystery.

Muslims and Jews denie the Holy Trinity. That's why I don't understand why JP II wanted so much the ecumenism between catholics and non-Christians. We differ in so many things.
To understand the Holy Trinity you must believe in Christ as the Son of God. Jews consider Jesus a farce, and Muslims a Prophet, but not as the Son of God. Anyway, Muslims also pray to Mary and they don't reject Jesus, so I as a Catholic would prefer to pray in a Mosque than in a Synagogue.

Muslims deny the son of God, Jews don't. They deny Jesus, but at the second coming of Christ they will know him, this is documented and I provided the sources in another thread. Ofcourse, this is generally speaking, not down to the individual, I'm sure many Muslims will recognize Jesus as the only begotten when he returns, and for those who never had the chance, they will get it in the prophetic millennium.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

Muslims deny the son of God, Jews don't. They deny Jesus, but at the second coming of Christ they will know him, this is documented and I provided the sources in another thread. Ofcourse, this is generally speaking, not down to the individual, I'm sure many Muslims will recognize Jesus as the only begotten when he returns, and for those who never had the chance, they will get it in the prophetic millennium.

Muslims believe in Jesus, Jews don't. Full stop. To Muslims there is only ONE GOD who created all including Jesus who is a prophet like those who came before him and after him. I can't be convinced otherwise so try to convince me.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Muslims believe in Jesus, Jews don't. Full stop. To Muslims there is only ONE GOD who created all including Jesus who is a prophet like those who came before him and after him. I can't be convinced otherwise so try to convince me.

God did nt create all prophets they were concieved like anyone else/ as normal human been but chosen by God to be prophets ...Jesus was concieved from the spirit of God and this is all the diffrence . Jesus was concieved by the spirit of God not by a normal man/woman relation .
the message of the Angel Gabriel to Mary mother of Jesus is clear thats why she was called imaculate conception al 7abal bila danass she was chosen was born without the original sin to carry the holly son of God given by his spirit . no other prophet was born the same way = Jesus is no prophet He is the son of God concieved by his spirit !
Jesus said if you insult me thats fine but if you insult the holly spirit you ll be insulting my father .....

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by coralie

Jesus said if you insult me thats fine but if you insult the holly spirit you ll be insulting my father .....

And Jesus even said that sins against Him would be forgiven, but the Sins against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven.

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

Muslims deny the son of God, Jews don't. They deny Jesus, but at the second coming of Christ they will know him, this is documented and I provided the sources in another thread. Ofcourse, this is generally speaking, not down to the individual, I'm sure many Muslims will recognize Jesus as the only begotten when he returns, and for those who never had the chance, they will get it in the prophetic millennium.

Jews denie Jesus as the Son of God. Try write "Jesus is the Son of God" in a jewish forum and they will ban you.
For jews the christians deserve the hell because in their jealous opinions , Christians adore three god. I don't have problems with jews, I talk with several and I never felt any kind of hate from their part, but they don't bear the idea that a Jew called Jesus made their religion no longer acceptable for God.

Some fanatic and radical muslims hate the christians, but they don't hate Jesus.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Muslims believe in Jesus, Jews don't. Full stop. To Muslims there is only ONE GOD who created all including Jesus who is a prophet like those who came before him and after him. I can't be convinced otherwise so try to convince me.

Most Muslims believe Jesus will return to the earth once the earth has become full of sin. This is a proof that Muslims find in Jesus a Saviour.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Claudia

Jews denie Jesus as the Son of God. Try write "Jesus is the Son of God" in a jewish forum and they will ban you.
For jews the christians deserve the hell because in their jealous opinions , Christians adore three god. I don't have problems with jews, I talk with several and I never felt any kind of hate from their part, but they don't bear the idea that a Jew called Jesus made their religion no longer acceptable for God.

Jews deny Jesus, but they do not deny the son of God. The Messiah will return again and they will recognize him. Again this goes to the heart of Judah's split with Israel and its reunification at the second coming of Christ. I think you already read my thread on Judah. It's not so much what I wrote, it's the sources I provided that people love to ignore.

Some fanatic and radical muslims hate the christians, but they don't hate Jesus.

Muslims twist God's Word. In fact they managed to twist Jesus into a Prophet. Muslims do not believe in a son of God period. They do not understand what it means because of manipulation of the scriptures.

Most Muslims believe Jesus will return to the earth once the earth has become full of sin. This is a proof that Muslims find in Jesus a Saviour.

He's returning alright, and he expects you to recognize him as the only begotten. Then again, you'd be surprised how many so-called Christians will run after the false one.

[GMA forever]

Since you are being all religious here, let me tell you what the jews say when they are praying on a dead jew.

They pray for him, and at the end, they say, and if the Christ didn't come yet, then you would rise with the coming of the Christ!

This means that they are not sure whether Jesus was the son of god or not!

Any input from our jewish members in the forum about this??

[Inanna]

i think we all know the example of Saint Augustine who was trying to figure out the mystery of the Holy Trinity. one day, after he had made many long studies he felt tired and decided to make a walk on the beach.
he saw a little boy pouring water into a hole in the sand, he was doing it with his hands, he was doing it several times with no result!

then Saint Augustine started to wonder asked the little boy what was he doing! the answer came simple: "trying to fill the whole with ocean's water!"
The Saint was shocked and told him it was impossible!
the little kid reply: "it is also impossible for you to understand the mystery of the Trinity" and the kid disappeared, it only then that Saint Augustine realized he was talking with an Angel!

i believe in the Holy Trinity, as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but i believe that some mysteries are to revealed later, like the Holy Trinity one!

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Since you are being all religious here, let me tell you what the jews say when they are praying on a dead jew.

They pray for him, and at the end, they say, and if the Christ didn't come yet, then you would rise with the coming of the Christ!

This means that they are not sure whether Jesus was the son of god or not!

Any input from our jewish members in the forum about this??

Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Son of God. For them Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. They compare Jesus to Bar Cochba or Shabbtai Tzvi , past messianic claimants who have been rejected.