Gospel of Judas

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Mey

I have watched the documentary today and I truly have a question.

What makes some people believe the gospel of John, Marc, or Lukas but not that of Judas, who told you that Judas was not a good man and what if the others condemned Judas because he was close to Jesus ? What if they were jealous from him and thus when Jesus was crucified they worked to condemn Judas and picture him in their bibles as the bad guy ?

It was decided in a meeting of all the bishops under the patronage of Constantine the Great in the First Council of Nicaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea), in the year 325. In this meeting the majority of bishops agreed to the divinity of Christ, so that all Christian worship can be standardised around the world. This is when and where the Church was born.

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

The chuch tells them that! but thats not a reason to beleive the document or not! the church is messed up kella 3a ba3da (at least 100 branche) so everyone should choose what to beleive in!! and to decide you have to hear both version (kind of like davinci code) so I think its early to decide!

Why do you condemn the different variety of churches? In the core they are all the same. I think it's only natural that there are many sects of the same religion.

[Abu Jaafar]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

It was decided in a meeting of all the bishops under the patronage of Constantine the Great in the First Council of Nicaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea), in the year 325. In this meeting the majority of bishops agreed to the divinity of Christ, so that all Christian worship can be standardised around the world. This is when and where the Church was born.

The four gospels of the New Testament were written, anywhere between 44AD to 120AD. Well before the Nicean Council, as early as the 100's, the "four-fold gospel" was widespread, across the entire Mediterannean region and in over a dozen languages. Today there exists 24,000 New Testament manuscripts dating before 300 AD. They are all in agreement with the one that you can buy at any bookstore and in any langauge. In other words the New Testament was practically compiled way before this Nicean Council.

The gopsel fo Judas is not alone. There also other gospels and they are interesting reads, but methinks untrue. But they are extremely rare in comparison to the thousands of early manuscripts, often have anachronisms and are historically in accurate (I dont know enought about this Judas gospel though). Anyways, the Four Gospels are known to be very accurate historically speaking in terms of names of places, events, the reign of governors, etc.

[Abu Jaafar]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

In this meeting the majority of bishops agreed to the divinity of Christ, so that all Christian worship can be standardised around the world. This is when and where the Church was born.

Their agreements and decision may have been done at that time but existed in the 'Church' way before. That council may be the origin of the Institution of the Church but not the true Church that conists of simply, followers of Jesus who have been transformed by Him and decided (rather than being born into a religion) to follow Him.

And yes, I agree with posts that say we shouldn't just blindly believe what flen or flen says, whether he is religious leader or not. The same can be said of the gospels. We can ask questions as to whether they were historically accurate, are they corrupted, etc and we should ask questions.

(I, for one, have asked these questions and now believe the four gospels to be true.)

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Why do you condemn the different variety of churches? In the core they are all the same. I think it's only natural that there are many sects of the same religion.

Umh I have no problem, but according to a girl in Syria who have the wound of the christ every time easter is at the same date for all the different Christian sects

[LebArmenian]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

Umh I have no problem, but according to a girl in Syria who have the wound of the christ every time easter is at the same date for all the different Christian sects

very true .... all of Christians should get united and celebrate together , but evthg would change if you wanna celebrate it on the REAL date ...

the REAL date for Christmas is 17th of january

the real date of easter , is the one of greek orthodox

[I_Am_LebanoN]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

Umh I have no problem, but according to a girl in Syria who have the wound of the christ every time easter is at the same date for all the different Christian sects

was this a joke? ......................

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by I_Am_LebanoN

was this a joke? ......................

no its true every time easter is at the same date she gets the wounds of the christ and at a certain time her eyes get really big (saw everything on TV) and she says the christ comes and talk to her, by the way the girl is married and have childrens and she is orthodox

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

very true .... all of Christians should get united and celebrate together , but evthg would change if you wanna celebrate it on the REAL date ...

the REAL date for Christmas is 17th of january

the real date of easter , is the one of greek orthodox

actually it was agreed that since in this region there is a mix (east and west) the ortodox will celebrate chrismas with catolique and the catolique will celebrate easter with ortodoxs, the ortodox did what was agreed on and guess who didn't!
anyway the maronite priest that was teaching me in school said that orthodox dates are the true ones!

[Carlutchi]

I just found this :

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=3175

Legionary Father Thomas D. Williams, dean of theology at the Regina Apostolorum university in Rome comments on the relevance of the discovery.


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