Gender Equality

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I agree of course. A child needs both parents, but if one has to do more work it's best if that one is the father rather than the mother... I stongly believe that a child has to have both mother and father around! it's essential for his/her character to develop with ease...

Of course, I believe that the mother should be very present at the early age in order to give her child the needed love and care. The father's role, comes later on as to prepare his girl/son on how to face the outside world. This is how I see it.

So it seems that we have quite similar views after all :)

Take care Miss ;)

[Salome]

Am not sure in the case of Lebanon it is a good idea to promote gender equality in the issue of citizenship. We all know everything is politicized, and especially when I see the emigrated Lebanese woman with her Palestinian husband nagging on CNN how her husband can not get the Lebanese citizenship, suddenly it all rings a bell, right?

Editor’s Note: Across the Arab world, a basic discrimination takes place: women married to foreigners cannot usually pass their nationality to their children. The following judgment, rendered by a Lebanese first instance court under the presidency of Judge John al-Qazzi, breaks new gender-equality ground. The facts are straightforward: Plaintiff, a Lebanese woman married to an Egyptian, sued the Lebanese state for denying her children their right to Lebanese nationality. The court found for her, on the basis of constitutional arguments of non-discrimination in the presence of an obscure nationality law. Rooting the argument in the constitutional protection of equality is remarkable. While the ruling remains narrow, and passes under silent international treaties, especially the legacy of the 1979 Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), it establishes a strong basis for gender equality in an issue which remains highly discriminatory to Middle East women who marry foreigners: passing on their nationality to their children.

Further: The Daily Star - Law - Children of foreign father declared Lebanese

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Salome

Am not sure in the case of Lebanon it is a good idea to promote gender equality in the issue of citizenship. We all know everything is politicized, and especially when I see the emigrated Lebanese woman with her Palestinian husband nagging on CNN how her husband can not get the Lebanese citizenship, suddenly it all rings a bell, right?

Further: The Daily Star - Law - Children of foreign father declared Lebanese

In countries showing self-respect, any application for citizenship should be accompanied by a challenging and demanding examination of cultural knowledge and level of integration. When the given applicant is in conformity with the minimal exigencies, he could be given citizenship. Of course, that's after having lived in the country for a considerable period of time.

IMO, this possibility should be given to whomever is married to a Lebanese citizen, be it male or female. However, due to the political and demographic dimension of the problem, Palestinian men/women being married to Lebanese would be deprived of this right until further notice, until the refugees problem is solved that is.

For others however, I do not see any inconvenience. Be it Egyptians/Morrocans/French/Spanish or whatever.

But this, is for countries showing self-respect.



NB: MP Neemtallah Abi Nasr once spoke about a possible law advocating same conduct towards the corresponding country. That would be fair, but only when it applies to foreigners married to Lebanese women and men alike.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by LiNk

For others however, I do not see any inconvenience. Be it Egyptians/Morrocans/French/Spanish or whatever.

In a highly sectarian society they are an issue too, unless those foreigners claim to be atheists and highly apolitical:D

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Salome

In a highly sectarian society they are an issue too, unless those foreigners claim to be atheists and highly apolitical:D

Hi Salome!

I believe that such cases are a minority and aren't really what could destabilize the sectarian demographic balance.

I know this is a delicate subject but if someone in Lebanon ever was in favor of some sort of preservation of the Lebanese religious mosaic, then there would have been from a very long time ago some sort of birthrate control.

We both know we cannot make them atheists or apolitical, but still, tough examinations and fastidious requirements would seriously limit the process and make it far more selective. A person applying for Lebanese citizenship would have to earn it, proving that he is completely integrated.

And if he does, he would deserve it a million times more than many Lebanese born specimens

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Salome

Am not sure in the case of Lebanon it is a good idea to promote gender equality in the issue of citizenship. We all know everything is politicized, and especially when I see the emigrated Lebanese woman with her Palestinian husband nagging on CNN how her husband can not get the Lebanese citizenship, suddenly it all rings a bell, right?




Further: The Daily Star - Law - Children of foreign father declared Lebanese

My cousin's dad is Cypriot. And he's also Maronite... Would that be okay for you?

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by dodzi

My cousin's dad is Cypriot. And he's also Maronite... Would that be okay for you?

What's with the tone, Salome has a point.

When discussing such issues related to Lebanon, you cannot but consider its numerous particular characteristics. We're not Canada or France.

Besides, the repercussions of what France has done in matters of immigration is more than arguable today. We should draw conclusions from what happened elsewhere in order to draft proper legislations when it comes to our naturalization policies.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by LiNk

What's with the tone, Salome has a point.

When discussing such issues related to Lebanon, you cannot but consider its numerous particular characteristics. We're not Canada or France.

Besides, the repercussions of what France has done in matters of immigration is more than arguable today. We should draw conclusions from what happened elsewhere in order to draft proper legislations when it comes to our naturalization policies.

What repercussions in France are you talking about? And how is that similar to Lebanon?

Also, my tone is perfectly logical:

1- everyone knows that the mothers' citizenship issue is only a problem for Muslims and not with Christians.
2- seems like everybody is denying number 1-, so may I remind you that 400.000 Christian Palestinians were given the citizenship before the civil war, and we're not talking about those with Lebanese mothers, we're talking about regular naturalization!

[Salome]

Originally Posted by dodzi

My cousin's dad is Cypriot. And he's also Maronite... Would that be okay for you?

Are you one of those oversensitives, who sometimes forget the reality on the ground? For me it would be even perfectly ok if he happens to be hindu. Since am sure you know well the politics behind it, I dont think we need to go into that here now.

Just wanted to point out in Lebanon, for now, gender equality doesnt apply in every aspects.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by dodzi

My cousin's dad is Cypriot. And he's also Maronite... Would that be okay for you?

No, we only want to give the Shiaa nationalities to even it out since all had their go but us

I didn't know that Palestinian Christians were nationalized. This leads to the thought that if the Palestinians in those camps were Christians, they would've been nationalized and the majority of Christians wouldn't have said 'no'... Why the hypocricy and double standards?

"Patriotism" HAHA! What a joke!