Gender Equality

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[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

On another note, societies that oppress women are just as bad as societies that use women as objects and legalize prostitution. I don't call those modern, I call them rotten. It's funny how women think that they're given 'freedom' or 'equality' when they are used in such a cheap manner. If you want to consider a woman as an equal, you start by treating her with respect.

Prostitution is not legalized in Western countries. It's been decriminalized. Even in Amsterdam, with the "vitrines" and everything surrounding it, prostitution is still illegal.

But decriminalizing it made it cleaner, regularized, and it is very efficient in the war against human trafficking! With the decriminalization, prostitutes are syndicated and have their own political party (which works more like a lobby). They are protected against human trafficking, and they are regularly checked up to see if they have diseases...

You'll notice that in countries where prostitution is a crime, prostitutes are not under the eyes of the law, they are mostly not clean, can spread diseases, and "belong" to mafia organizations!

Now you may be totally against prostitution, but while I do not support it like others would, I will tell you that above those reasons, prostitution has its benefits, which I will not discuss unless in a proper thread...

PS: the same is true for drugs decriminalization and abortion... The state rather has a bad habit done under its supervision than underground. The latter encourages crime and unsanitary behaviors!

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Prostitution is not legalized in Western countries. It's been decriminalized. Even in Amsterdam, with the "vitrines" and everything surrounding it, prostitution is still illegal.

I didn't say "western countries' coz I don't know if countries that aren't western are any different. Some states legalize even street prostitution in the west (but not near churches LOL!). And in many countries street prostitution is illegal 'only', other forms of prostitution (men also lol) are legal and advertised in magazines, newspapers, on TV, you name it... What do you call what goes on in brothels? Meditation?

But decriminalizing it made it cleaner, regularized, and it is very efficient in the war against human trafficking! With the decriminalization, prostitutes are syndicated and have their own political party (which works more like a lobby). They are protected against human trafficking, and they are regularly checked up to see if they have diseases...

Does that make them less prostitutes that what they are? Or are they now to be considered 'high class' prostitutes? And what's this nonsense about 'protection'? What about their value as humans? That's not protected when they're used as objects. I doubt there's a single prostitute that's normal out there. How does a man look at a prostitute? Don't tell me he values her so that I don't jump off the balcony now!

You'll notice that in countries where prostitution is a crime, prostitutes are not under the eyes of the law, they are mostly not clean, can spread diseases, and "belong" to mafia organizations!

"Not clean"? So prostitutes that are 'under the eyes of the law" are clean? lol How do you know what goes on behind closed doors? Is the law also making sure that the men who sleep with those whores are "clean" for them to be clean? Prostitutes are what you described up there law w bala law. Mafias and criminals are alwasy involved with prostitutes. Birds of the same feather flock together.

Now you may be totally against prostitution, but while I do not support it like others would, I will tell you that above those reasons, prostitution has its benefits, which I will not discuss unless in a proper thread...

I know what you mean, you're looking at is as a way to control instead of being uncontrolled. I look at it from a different angle, instead of controlling, I'm for hanging those whorebags and whoever is dirty enough not to dip himself in Clorox after touching them.

PS: the same is true for drugs decriminalization and abortion... The state rather has a bad habit done under its supervision than underground. The latter encourages crime and unsanitary behaviors!

The law should target them, help them, treat them, or shove them in jail instead of 'decriminalizing' them. You can never solve a problem as huge as this by decriminalizing it. You say NO to it.

Prostitution degrades women. Full stop.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Yes I know we can have both but I don't like to be forced :) Two marriages will put extra chains on his neck :P But why do we always assume that it's the man that's going to be a b? Who will protect the poor man if she's a big b? So many men live in a marriage hell in countries where women are 'poor her' because of their wives and have to live that hell for fear of loosing what they worked all their lives to achieve while she was shopping.

First what chain? It is not supposed to be a chain right? If either of the parties perceives it so, that marriage is doomed from the beginning.
Civil marriage comes handy when it is about protecting your rights. You avoided quite well my question:D So what happens if it turns out that Mr Perfect is far from perfect? And not to mention if your husband is from another sect? Who will protect you?

If I say that a woman isn't suitable for the role of a 'president' of a country, it then means she can't pursue a career!

I dont see why she wouldnt be suitable? Can you give some reasons?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Salome

First what chain? It is not supposed to be a chain right? If either of the parties perceives it so, that marriage is doomed from the beginning.

That was a joke Not gonna marry a dog to chain him in the first place.

Civil marriage comes handy when it is about protecting your rights. You avoided quite well my question:D So what happens if it turns out that Mr Perfect is far from perfect? And not to mention if your husband is from another sect? Who will protect you?

Shiism and a bunch of men around to beat the living daylights out of him If he's from another sect it's another story. It would depend on what type of marriage we choose...

see why she wouldnt be suitable? Can you give some reasons?

More emotional and less imposing.

P.S. Joumbi looks cute in that pic :P (please take this as a joke!)

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Shiism and a bunch of men around to beat the living daylights out of him If he's from another sect it's another story. It would depend on what type of marriage we choose...

Yeah ok I see you have protection:D so if he is from another sect, you find it reasonable to consider civil marriage?

More emotional and less imposing.

Dont be fooled by Nayla and co. :D am sure the new generation has some potentials.
Imposing? Like overdozed on testosterone you mean? Not all strengths lie in muscles.
The best fitting shall be chosen, regardless of gender.

P.S. Joumbi looks cute in that pic :P (please take this as a joke!)

How can you call my cutie lil mousy with the big book Jumbi???:(((

I will show you who was the Jumbi, guess what he had such an excellent role in the movie, he was assassinated:P

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Salome

Yeah ok I see you have protection:D so if he is from another sect, you find it reasonable to consider civil marriage?

No, he's coming with me :P

Dont be fooled by Nayla and co. :D am sure the new generation has some potentials.
Imposing? Like overdozed on testosterone you mean? Not all strengths lie in muscles.
The best fitting shall be chosen, regardless of gender.

The new generation also has great men with potential, I'd like to see one as president while women can hold other important 'female suiting' positions :D

How can you call my cutie lil mousy with the big book Jumbi???:(((

I will show you who was the Jumbi, guess what he had such an excellent role in the movie, he was assassinated:P

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

The military field is just a portion of what a leader of a nation has do deal with. If she is not fit to lead an army, then by all means she's not fit to lead an entire nation.

Dalzi, I think we're pretty much from the same opinion, but the difference is that I'm speaking in general, while you're always bringin' it back to the case of Lebanon. You're right, a man could theoretically be more appropriate to lead in a situation of war and instability. However, there's a big difference between choosing a man over a woman because he offers needed characteristics, and choosing a man based on a sexist perception of things.

Those positions of power you mentioned (with the exception of economics) are good for women, not to forget education too... Those are the exact roles a woman plays in her own family.

I completely agree, and that's exactly why each person, male of female, has the right to fill any high position when she/he carries the needed requirements. What's happening is that too often society imposes predefined conditions making it socially unacceptable for a woman to attain any goal she might set for herself. And that's even when it comes to environment/education/etc. Mind you, all over Lebanon's lame ministerial history, how many females have held such functions?

Exactly, and to lead you have to be prepared for everything ;) Lebanon is the last nation that could have a woman leading

You see, you're always picturing it in a situation putting Lebanon v/s Israel. And in such a scenario I'm on your side!
It's all about giving the woman the right to chose! If she wants to be family-oriented, then fine! But she should also have the right as well as the possibility of having ambitious aspirations for her career.

And why did you picture the mother as the working mule abused and commanded?

I pictured it like that because this is what happens when you have males with a backward mentality. You might be tough and have a strong character (and I'm sure you are) but some women are not. This is why there must be something to protect them!
Legally speaking, what can guard them from harm is civil marriage, and it won't make you an atheist! You love your religion and you're convinced of it, and I respect that! I also love mine! But that doesn't mean that having civil marriage (next to the religious one) will hamper a Muslim or a Christian from practicing her/his faith!

Try not to perceive it as something that could tie your hands as much as it is a shield that would protect those in need of being protected.

Btw lol at the Jumbi/mouse analogy! I think he's more like the evil rat!

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Society started to rot when women divorced family for career. If there's no family, then work day and night. But if you have children one of the parents has to have a more flexible career than the other (woman more than man). Full time jobs morning to dusk are no mother with young children type of jobs. There are kids with no mother or father to at least 'talk' to, and yet we complain about the new generations! There is no balance whatsoever in roles and proof is out there in society. Kids who have parents attending to their needs (mental needs included) are happier (or should I say more stable?), and consequently so are their families.

What you're saying is so true, and I agree with you completely.
But strong absence of a father also breeds a generation of wackos. I have many professional ambitions, but I also believe that I should spend time with my future family, help my wife when it comes to raising kids, and hold my responsibilities as a father too! all 50-50! (okay maybe less, hehe)

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by LiNk

Dalzi, I think we're pretty much from the same opinion, but the difference is that I'm speaking in general, while you're always bringin' it back to the case of Lebanon. You're right, a man could theoretically be more appropriate to lead in a situation of war and instability. However, there's a big difference between choosing a man over a woman because he offers needed characteristics, and choosing a man based on a sexist perception of things.

Lebanon is no different to any other country inspite of it being the land of the zombies :P Every nation should always be prepared for the worst, that's why it's wiser to have a 'real' man in power. (w marto bitwezzo lol) And there is no sexism whatsoever in my views, it's just that i see men more capable of holding such a position, it suits a man more.... On the other hand, i prefer to see women rather than men in other positions which require a gentle feminine touch :D

I completely agree, and that's exactly why each person, male of female, has the right to fill any high position when she/he carries the needed requirements. What's happening is that too often society imposes predefined conditions making it socially unacceptable for a woman to attain any goal she might set for herself. And that's even when it comes to environment/education/etc. Mind you, all over Lebanon's lame ministerial history, how many females have held such functions?

I completely agree here. Lebanon isn't the best example of gender equality.

You see, you're always picturing it in a situation putting Lebanon v/s Israel. And in such a scenario I'm on your side! It's all about giving the woman the right to chose! If she wants to be family-oriented, then fine! But she should also have the right as well as the possibility of having ambitious aspirations for her career.

Women are equal to men in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of many stupid mortals.

I pictured it like that because this is what happens when you have males with a backward mentality. You might be tough and have a strong character (and I'm sure you are) but some women are not. This is why there must be something to protect them!

True, how i'd love to see some men screwed to tree branches upside down in the heat! But by the gods some poor men are abused!

Legally speaking, what can guard them from harm is civil marriage, and it won't make you an atheist! You love your religion and you're convinced of it, and I respect that! I also love mine! But that doesn't mean that having civil marriage (next to the religious one) will hamper a Muslim or a Christian from practicing her/his faith!

We have our own religious laws you know. No problem with civil laws and marriage, I have nothing against those at all truly.

Try not to perceive it as something that could tie your hands as much as it is a shield that would protect those in need of being protected.

Btw lol at the Jumbi/mouse analogy! I think he's more like the evil rat!

How can those stunning eyes of his strike you as evil!

Originally Posted by LiNk

What you're saying is so true, and I agree with you completely.
But strong absence of a father also breeds a generation of wackos. I have many professional ambitions, but I also believe that I should spend time with my future family, help my wife when it comes to raising kids, and hold my responsibilities as a father too! all 50-50! (okay maybe less, hehe)

I agree of course. A child needs both parents, but if one has to do more work it's best if that one is the father rather than the mother... I stongly believe that a child has to have both mother and father around! it's essential for his/her character to develop with ease...