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The story of the Garden of Eden as we heard of it, is full of man's tradition, and is riddled with inaccuracies due to man's teachings. Most of us were told of an apple that is not even in the story and has nothing to do with what occurred in the Garden of Eden, a fig would have been more accurate, but not accurate enough. Without knowing what really happened in the Garden of Eden, we will miss out on a lot of information that we need to better understand God's word. So let’s examine the story of the Garden of Eden, some of you may be shocked, but the truth is shocking and sin is not an attractive thing. It’s important to remember that the Garden of Eden was not a garden in the modern sense like your backyard, but a geographical region.

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Genesis 3:1

Here's the first clue, we know the serpent is Satan figuratively speaking, which is the devil as stated in the book of Revelations. We know that a snake can't talk.

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Genesis 2:16-17

Satan is the only one in that garden other than God, who had the knowledge of good and evil.

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"And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."
Genesis 3:2-3

We are not talking about real trees here but it is symbolic of people, as animals were symbolic of nations in those days. It should be obvious to the reader, when symbolism or figurative language is used, and when it’s literal. It’s basic reading skills. The following text is one of many examples of symbolism.

"Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit."
Jeremiah 17:7-8

Tree means to make firm or to close the eyes. It can also mean the spine which gives firmness to the body backbone. As you can see by reading this and the rest of the passage, we are not really talking about a tree at all. We are talking about a person, Satan, he is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan invented evil as he was the first one to sin.

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"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
Genesis 3:4-6

This is the first sin of man in the flesh. The sin that was committed has nothing to do with eating apples. Obviously, the tree that is being talked about here is Satan, not some evil apple tree; there is no sin or knowledge in a good old tree in the literal sense. Eve had intercourse with Satan in the flesh. That's what the sin was and Cain was not listed in Adam's Book of the Generations in Genesis 5:1-14, because unlike Abel who died without reproducing, Cain lived on and reproduced, and his descendants are the Kenites, the seed of Satan, because his father was Satan himself, not Adam. This also may be a total shock to hear, but the truth and sin is shocking. Eve had intercourse with Satan, Adam also took part, how and in what way I'm not sure. The point is that Adam did have a roll in what happened and did what God told him not to do.

"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And He said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
And unto Adam He said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Genesis 3:7-20

As written in Genesis 2, they were not ashamed before of being naked, but now they are because they sinned, and didn't listen to the Almighty. They took the fig leaves and made aprons to cover themselves. An apron does not go over your mouth but over your lower body, they wanted to cover their private parts because they were ashamed of the sin that they committed. It also tells us that there will be enmity or hostility between Satan's children and Eve's children with Adam. Satan's child will be the first murderer, and his descendants the Kenites will carry his mission. Satan's children bruised Jesus Christ's heel (figuratively speaking) when they nailed him to the cross, as documented. God's punishment to Eve was that her labor pains in child birth would increase. Obviously, the Lord didn’t give Eve pain in her tummy for eating an apple. She will now have more pain when giving birth for sinning and sleeping with Satan. Also, please note, that Jesus is the tree of life or the bread of life as documented in John 6:48, 51, 53, and through Him you will live forever or attain eternal life. Jesus was to be born in the flesh through the bloodline of Adam & Eve. If you take God's word as your guide and use a little logic, it will help enormously.

Keeping Genesis 3 in mind, let’s move on:

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."
Genesis 4:1-2

Again means to add or augment (often adverbial, to continue to do a thing). Eve continued in labor and gave birth to Abel. Cain and Abel are fraternal twins, which means they came from two separate bags of water, they had separate conceptions. It is possible for fraternal twins to have different fathers, just like Cain and Abel did. There are many fraternal twins nowadays that have different fathers, obviously it's not a common occurrence, but then again mothers don't go around broadcasting it to the media. Again, Cain and his descendants from the time of Adam to Noah, are not mentioned in the book of Adam's Generations found in Genesis 5:1-14. Btw, many Biblical scholars agree that Cain & Abel were probably twins based on those passages, but as we can see, though they are twins they didn't share the same father.

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.
Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.
Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
John 8:42-47

It’s very important that we understand what happened in the Garden of Eden, otherwise the scriptures will become very confusing, and a lot of important information will be missed. Ofcourse, we know from the scriptures that the Kenites claimed to be Jews, but they were not, they are the seed of Satan their father, check Revelation 2:8-11.

P.S. It’s always so important to check out the words used in the Bible, which other passages these same words were used in, and in what context, like a tree being symbolic of a person, an animal symbolic of a nation, a serpent or dragon symbolic of Satan. These symbols were common in ancient times, and we still use symbolism nowadays.
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who wrote Genesis ?

is it a legend ? i know Genesis "sefr al takwin" exist in the religious books ok can any one tell us where this story came from ? was it invented ? was it given by a divine force ? is it just a metaphore or a legend ? if yes why and what the purpose of using this kind of legends ?
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who wrote Genesis ?

is it a legend ? i know Genesis "sefr al takwin" exist in the religious books ok can any one tell us where this story came from ? was it invented ? was it given by a divine force ? is it just a metaphore or a legend ? if yes why and what the purpose of using this kind of legends ?
The book of Genesis was divinely inspired and written by the prophet Moses.
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The book of Genesis was divinely inspired and written by the prophet Moses.
and where did you get that from?
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According to Islamic teachings, the blame was not laid on either Adam or Eve for eating the from the tree, they were both guilty together, the story is as follows:

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The Noble Qur'an Al-A'raf 7:11-27

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.

12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."

19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zâlimûn (unjust and wrong*doers)."

20. Then Shaitân (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals."

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well*wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitân (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."

24. (Allâh) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa (Eve), and Shaitân (Satan), etc.]. On earth will be a dwelling*place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time."

25. He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected)."
We believe that it was actually a fig tree that they ate from.
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According to Islamic teachings, the blame was not laid on either Adam or Eve for eating the from the tree, they were both guilty together, the story is as follows:



We believe that it was actually a fig tree that they ate from.
Does this make any of a significant difference or is it just a way to make the story more friendly to desert Arab Muslims?
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and where did you get that from?
Moses is the author of the first five books of the Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. He is listed in the old manuscripts as the author.

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According to Islamic teachings, the blame was not laid on either Adam or Eve for eating the from the tree, they were both guilty together, the story is as follows:

We believe that it was actually a fig tree that they ate from.
One thing I noticed is the absence of Eve, her role is downplayed. Is that because she's a woman? In the Bible they are both blamed for their participation in the sin. Mankind is imperfect.
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Lebanese Nationalist, I am speechless.

Caesar, in the bible it was Eve that convinced Adam to eat the apple.
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Just wanted to clarify one thing incase people get confused in terms of the trees in the garden. Adam & Eve were not first created, so there were other people existing from the 6th day creation. This is another inaccuracy spread by man's teachings, that everybody is descendant from Adam & Eve, this is totally untrue. Adam & Eve's descendants would carry God's plan and through their bloodline Jesus would come in the flesh, that is the importance of Adam & Eve, but they certainly are not common ancestors to everybody. Just read the verses on the creation of mankind or ask Cain what he found east of Eden... It's all in the Bible, and it's amazing how men twist God's word, as Satan did in the garden. For example the Gentiles are not descendants of Adam & Eve, this can easily be documented.

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Caesar, in the bible it was Eve that convinced Adam to eat the apple.
What apple? Based on your comment, I can conclude you haven't read the Bible or the chapter in question.
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Fruit..... excuse me for that BLATANT mistake.
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