Forgiveness

[Faithful]

Fakhreddine asked about forgiveness in a political thread, i think if i replyed to him there it's . So i opened this thread to talk about forgiveness and to answer Fakhreddine. Min ba3ed iznak fakhreddine

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

I am wondering what If i don't want to forgive

Is forgiveness an obligation or an option, how do they consider it in religions like Islam and chritianity and Human rights code

If someone ask pardon, are we obliged to greet it ?

In Christianity, you are never obliged to do anything. You are free. So i won't answer you with a religious reply, even if i believe that forgiveness is a gift from God because its really hard to forgive.

Why you want to forgive???

Because forgiveness ya Fakhr is a gift you give to yourself before being something you do for someone else. If you are already hurt from someone and you feel angry of him, you waste a lot a lot of energy for hate and anger. Refusing to forgive by holding on to the anger, resentment and a sense of betrayal can make your own life miserable, chou alla jabrak ???? . Ma he already hurt you and without forgiving him you allow him to hurt you more and more.
So better to forgive him because the hurts won't heal until you forgive. Thus you can feel peace again and you can go forward in your life.

I know that forgiving is not that easy and it cant be done very fast. But its really the best way to heal.


Now lets here other member's opinion. What do you think about forgiveness ? Do you forgive ? if yes or no please say why ?

[Kakou]

So please, somebody move my reply here!!! I will elaborate later more! Thanks!!

[Mey]

Yes faithful, you have a point but here you show only one side of forgiveness, which is to make the one forgiving feel better.

I say I also forgive to make the other (being forgiven) feel better, usually people who come and ask for forgiveness are being torn inside for doing harm, and they need to know that the one they hurt has forgiven them. It is because you want that one who did a mistake and realized that mistake that it is ok.

I personally instantly forgive when someone asks me for forgiveness because when someone comes to ask for forgiveness, it means they have realized they have done a mistake to me, and that is enough for me.

However I do hate it when people do mistakes but think they are prouder than to say sorry and ask for forgiveness.

P.S. I still think what Fakhreddine wrote was very harsh.

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Mahyar

Yes faithful, you have a point but here you show only one side of forgiveness, which is to make the one forgiving feel better.

I say I also forgive to make the other (being forgiven) feel better, usually people who come and ask for forgiveness are being torn inside for doing harm, and they need to know that the one they hurt has forgiven them. It is because you want that one who did a mistake and realized that mistake that it is ok.

I personally instantly forgive when someone asks me for forgiveness because when someone comes to ask for forgiveness, it means they have realized they have done a mistake to me, and that is enough for me.

However I do hate it when people do mistakes but think they are prouder than to say sorry and ask for forgiveness.

P.S. I still think what Fakhreddine wrote was very harsh.

Yes you are right Mahyar, my forgiveness releases the other person too. He needs my forgiveness to let him feel peace, especially if he regrets what he did. And its very healthy to both of us if i tell me : I forgive you or i already forgave you. Everyone deserve to be forgiven.

But what if that person doesn't care and he didn't ask for my forgiveness ?? What should i do ? Do i have to hold all this anger and hate inside me because he doesn't care ? and he doesn't feel sorry??

For this is i really believe that when i forgive a person, I will do it for my own sake first, because i want to be free of him. I don't want to be his slave anymore. After forgiving him, I have no feelings against him anymore. Even if he didn't ask my forgiveness. I have to heal myself. w howi yostoffil.

Did you get my point ?

Also i wanted to give Fakhreddine specifically this answer, lol i don't know why

[Abufijli]

I used to forgive people quite easily for the bad things that they have done to me, bas that was taken for granted and those people though inni ahbal w they took advantage of it. I have now grown a shell around me and part of that shell that protects me from the outside world is not forgiving very quickly, even though deep in my heart that is what I want to do.

So, I do not hold grudges against people, its too much of an effort to hate and keep the flame of anger burning, bas I make sure that the person who asks for my forgiveness receives it only when they are sincere in their apology. If they do something wrong to me again after I forgive then bye bye, I do not need you in my life and the circle of friends I have created over the years.

[Dalzi]

I can forgive Satan himself if I find that he is sincerely sorry. Satan doesn't have to say it though; it's enough that I sense it.

Why do I forgive? Well, why wouldn't I?

[Faithful]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I can forgive Satan himself if I find that he is sincerely sorry.

Lol dalzi da7aktiné when you mentioned Satan . I try to do the same even if it is so hard, but in that case we both deserve to feel better.

But Dalzi what if he doesn't feel sorry, w ekhir hammo , what do you do ? How can you forget what he did ?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by faithful

Lol dalzi da7aktiné when you mentioned Satan . I try to do the same even if it is so hard, but in that case we both deserve to feel better.

I can be very forgiving that I really amaze myself Faithful. Remember... Inna llaha ghafouron ra7eem, but only if there is tawba nasou7 :)

But Dalzi what if he doesn't feel sorry, w ekhir hammo , what do you do ? How can you forget what he did ?

Wrong person to deal with then. If Satan does something bad and isn't sorry for it, then I'm Satan 2 :D. But the difference between me and Satan 1 is that I never get back at others; it's not my nature; I just can't do something that would make me feel that I'm as bad as the person who did the wrong doing to me. I just think enno ekhir hamme and btannesh haidik ltotneshe l3ajibe! It's so 3ajibe ya Faithful that it lasts a lifetime :D...

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I can be very forgiving that I really amaze myself Faithful. Remember... Inna llaha ghafouron ra7eem, but only if there is tawba nasou7 :)



Wrong person to deal with then. If Satan does something bad and isn't sorry for it, then I'm Satan 2 :D. But the difference between me and Satan 1 is that I never get back at others; it's not my nature; I just can't do something that would make me feel that I'm as bad as the person who did the wrong doing to me. I just think enno ekhir hamme and btannesh haidik ltotneshe l3ajibe! It's so 3ajibe ya Faithful that it lasts a lifetime :D...

Wlik shu hayda forgive satan? He is the reason we are here on earth and not in heaven on our PC's surfing LFPM. loool yeeepa!

[DL]

Two things I can never forgive others (or even myself) if they were done:

1. Lying - all types included - no matter what the reasons are!

2. Cheating!