Feminism:3rd wave

[BOILER]

The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?

Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?

What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?

[Red Phoenix]

what does 3rd wave stand for ?

[Orange angel]

Originally Posted by BOILER

The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?

Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?

What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?

A woman doesn't have to be a feminist to have demands.
Before talking about political and economical equality, people should tackle social inequalities, and deep inside the education women are given in this patriarcal society of ours. This education is of course deeply related to religion, especially in Islam.
Before becoming ministers or CEOs, women must become FREE OF MIND and believe that they can live freely without hypocrisy and lies. The hard boundaries in patriarcal society force women to lie and hide in order to live thei lives the way they see fit.

Pornography does not affect our everyday life, but the perception of men in general: first of all, men who watch too much pornography become somehow demanding, they expect their partners to be as "horny" and sexy as porn stars. Second: romanticism is lost, women become mere sexual objects meant to satisfy men's lowest instincts.
On the other side, pornography can have a positive effect in the sense that some men become disgusted by it and search for partners who are the opposite of these porn star...

haha it's a very very long subject, if i carry on, no one will have the patience to read my post...

Cheers!

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Orange angel

A woman doesn't have to be a feminist to have demands.

I know, but the topic is limited to Feminists
I'm sure there are some on the forum.

Before talking about political and economical equality, people should tackle social inequalities, and deep inside the education women are given in this patriarcal society of ours. This education is of course deeply related to religion, especially in Islam.
Before becoming ministers or CEOs, women must become FREE OF MIND and believe that they can live freely without hypocrisy and lies. The hard boundaries in patriarcal society force women to lie and hide in order to live thei lives the way they see fit.

So, are you saying that religion is an opposing factor for women to reach their just rights?

And do you believe that a movement like Feminism could be the solution for this freedom of mind you're talking about?

Pornography does not affect our everyday life, but the perception of men in general: first of all, men who watch too much pornography become somehow demanding, they expect their partners to be as "horny" and sexy as porn stars. Second: romanticism is lost, women become mere sexual objects meant to satisfy men's lowest instincts.
On the other side, pornography can have a positive effect in the sense that some men become disgusted by it and search for partners who are the opposite of these porn star...

Why blaming men for watching too much pornography?
Isn't it obvious that women who accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects'' are tarnishing the image of women in society?

[Orange angel]

Originally Posted by BOILER

I know, but the topic is limited to Feminists
I'm sure there are some on the forum.

Feminist are not the only good choice to talk about these matters becoz they go the extreme.

So, are you saying that religion is an opposing factor for women to reach their just rights?

And do you believe that a movement like Feminism could be the solution for this freedom of mind you're talking about?

Yes religion is an opposing factor for women, especially in Islam whch is a very restrictive religion (no offense of course, i'm talking in a very objective way). There so many things forbidden that you loose count. and muslim women, as well as christian women whose parents are very conservative, are raised to believe that this is the way things are and ought to be, i.e, they'r brainwashed.
Feminism may contribute to this freedom of mind, but then again, the real change must occure in education and MENTALITY.

Why blaming men for watching too much pornography?
Isn't it obvious that women who accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects'' are tarnishing the image of women in society?

I blame all people who watch TOO MUCH pornography, men and women. As far as i'm concerned, what you say also applies to men who "accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects''" , it's exactly the same. But you c, the difference is most people judge porn female stars, not men... and that's one of the aspects of traditionalism and remote mentality.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Orange angel

I blame all people who watch TOO MUCH pornography, men and women. As far as i'm concerned, what you say also applies to men who "accept to be used for entertainment as ''sexual objects''" , it's exactly the same. But you c, the difference is most people judge porn female stars, not men... and that's one of the aspects of traditionalism and remote mentality.

Do you consider that women pornography is one of the main obstacles facing Feminism movement?
Do you support the anti-pornography feminists?

You can talk about men pornography in a different thread.

[Orange angel]

Originally Posted by BOILER

Do you consider that women pornography is one of the main obstacles facing Feminism movement?
Do you support the anti-pornography feminists?

You can talk about men pornography in a different thread.

Female pornography is one of the obstacles facing feminism because it is the exact opposite of the absence of freedom. It is total lack of morality and human decency and indeed degrades women by picturing as sexual objects who can submit to all types of perversion (talking about one of the partners of course).
Yes i do support anti-pornography feminists. The absence of porn will not disrupt the normal course of any person's life (except of course if you'r into that kind of industry) Men used to have fantasies and desires way before all that. I think that their desire was even stronger before they were introduced to porn, becoz they used their imagination more... whereas now, they can see and watch everything. Pornography somehow kills desire. When you see something too much, it looses its value and taste.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by BOILER

where does inequality reside?

You are mixing so many things together, maybe this is your intention but from that it wont be geniuine.

Demanding equal treatment for women or basic human rights has nothing to do with feminists or lesbians, it is a HUMAN right, women are humans too, or?

For example: same salary for the exact same job regardless of genders

And to bring pronography into this issue??? It is like it would be typical for a woman to watch porno movies??....they are rather the men

[Orange angel]

Originally Posted by Salome

You are mixing so many things together, maybe this is your intention but from that it wont be geniuine.

Demanding equal treatment for women or basic human rights has nothing to do with feminists or lesbians, it is a HUMAN right, women are humans too, or?

For example: same salary for the exact same job regardless of genders

In Lebanon, in order for women to be acknowledged the same economical rights as men and status at work, etc, mentalities have to evolve... religion is too predominant for this to happen! we're living in an Arab world in which hundreds of thousands of women are not even allowed to work or drive!
I'm not saying it's totally impossible. In Lebanon, certain important companies acknowledge that and women are treated as equally as men in the business frame, but that's just a minority...
We are just as worthy as men, sometimes even more, but either you have to convince them, or just make a revolution and kick their asses!!

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by BOILER

The belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

Can Feminists make us(we men) understand what they really want by showing us where does inequality reside?

Once women make us understand it never ends. They may make us do other things too and that depends.
What they really want is a little kindness from men, a recognition of their success in every field and all the rewards that come with such thing.

Is the real target an equality with men, or freedom from them?

Equality always seems to lead to freedom. That is the bad thing about it.

Do Lesbian groups feel they belong to such a movement?

Yes they do, they do.
They belong to every movement. You must watch the Lesbians parade, held annually on Venus Day. YOu see banners supporting every fashionable movement.

What is the impact of pornography industry on women and their place in society?

Well, that depends. Some women are jealous some are disgusted. And some feel it's degrading and somee feel it's a learning experience.
As to their place in society? I reckon pornography gives women a special place in men's hearts. There may be other places for them but none are as honorable as this one: To be in the hearts of men.