The Exorcisim of Pamela

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Pamela, a lebanese woman has been suffering from the presence of an evil spirit inside her body.
Tonight, On Tele Lumiere, the act of exorcisim saved her life and marriage.

Pamela has undergone several sessions in what is called '' to2seem'', and only the last session was recorded.

The exorcisim took place in the capilla of a church that lies in ''yasou3 elmalak'' area.

Her husband Charbel, who married her, risking his life and future, was holding her by the help of two priests.
They say she was bewitched or a ''ktibe'' was made for her not to marry.

During the exorcisim, Pamela beside the bad words, the insults for the priest, her tongue outside her mouth, was constantly trying to take off her wedding ring.
By the slow motion, we managed to see how she took off her ring by one touch from her nail.

Finally, the evil spirit leaves her body.

Charbel and Pamela talked about this issue tonight.
She said that it started by her seeing some kind of a black ghost standing on her bedroom curtain.
Her bed used to shake and she oftenly sees cockroaches on it.
She couldn't receive the Eucharist at all, she could stay in church only for a little time.

Many times she tried to comitt suicide but Charbel was her saviour.
One time after visiting 'Mar Charbel', she began to vomit and tried to throw herself from the car but Charbel managed to hold her.

They now live in peace, ofcourse, more close to God.

Pamela before undergoing these sessions, was checked and examined by many doctors but they failed to understand her case.

[Dalzi]

Oh there are heaps of these Boiler. I wonder how an evolutionist would react if he/she witnesses these live :D.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Oh there are heaps of these Boiler. I wonder how an evolutionist would react if he/she witnesses these live :D.

To an atheist, I guess it would be a case of Schizophrenia and other mental disorders. These evil spirits or mental disorders (depending on which side you are) only occur in overly sensitive and emotional individuals. It is quite strange that they never (as far as I know) occur in atheists or insensitive people.

In either case, congrats to Pamela on overcoming this.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Sirius

To an atheist, I guess it would be a case of Schizophrenia and other mental disorders. These evil spirits or mental disorders (depending on which side you are) only occur in overly sensitive and emotional individuals. It is quite strange that they never (as far as I know) occur in atheists or insensitive people

In either case, congrats to Pamela on overcoming this.

So only "emotional" and "sensitive" people experience such happening? You sure Sirius? :D

Who told you they never occur to atheists and insensitive people?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

So only "emotional" and "sensitive" people experience such happening? You sure Sirius? :D

Who told you they never occur to atheists and insensitive people?

That's what I know, care to counter what I know? Maybe a story of an exorcism of an atheist?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Sirius

That's what I know, care to counter what I know? Maybe a story of an exorcism of an atheist?

It particularly occurs with atheists or weak believers more than others (for a reason). Do you know all the atheists in the world ya Sirius?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

It particularly occurs with atheists or weak believers more than others (for a reason). Do you know all the atheists in the world ya Sirius?

Nope, I know as many atheists as you know believers.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Nope, I know as many atheists as you know believers.

I know more atheists than I know believers .

[Sirius]

Notable exorcisms

Salvador Dali is reputed to have received an exorcism from Italian friar, Gabriele Maria Berardi, while he was in France in 1947. Dali created a sculpture of Christ on the cross which he gave the friar in thanks.

According to a New York Post article of 19 February 2002, John Paul II personally performed three exorcisms during his tenure as pope. The first exorcism was performed on a woman in 1982. His second was in September 2000 when he performed the rite on a 19-year-old woman who had become enraged in St Peter's Square. A year later, in September 2001, he performed an exorcism on a 20-year-old woman.

Anneliese Michel was a Catholic woman from Germany who was said to be possessed by six or more demons and subsequently underwent an exorcism in 1975. Two motion pictures, The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Requiem are loosely based on Anneliese's story.

A boy identified by the pseudonym "Roland Doe" was the subject of an exorcism in 1949, which became the subject of The Exorcist, a horror novel and later film written by William Peter Blatty. Blatty heard about the case while he was a student in the class of 1950 at Georgetown University. The exorcism was partially performed in both Cottage City, Maryland and Bel-Nor, Missouri by Father William S. Bowdern, S.J. and a then Jesuit scholastic Fr. Walter Halloran, S.J.

Scientific view on Exorcism

The Roman Ritual of Exorcism cautions the priest to look for signs of mental and physical possession and the Catholic Church authorizes exorcism rarely, approaching would-be cases with the presumption that mental or physical illness is in play and employs mental health and medical professionals to rule out physical or mental causes before giving authorization. Many mental illnesses have been treated as Demon Possession, and show signs that are interpreted as such.

Demonic possession is not a valid psychiatric or medical diagnosis recognized by either the DSM-IV or the ICD-10. Those who profess a belief in demonic possession have sometimes ascribed the symptoms associated with mental illnesses such as hysteria, mania, psychosis, Tourette's syndrome, epilepsy, schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder to possession. In cases of dissociative identity disorder in which the alter personality is questioned as to its identity, 29% are reported to identify themselves as demons. There is, however, a mental disease called demonomania or demonopathy. This is a monomania in which the patient believes that he or she is possessed by one or more demons.

Medicine can explain some aspects of the "symptoms" shown by those persons allegedly possessed: it is known that "supernatural strength" is common in some cases of insanity (mania, energumens, etc.).

The fact that exorcism works on people experiencing symptoms of possession is attributed to placebo effect and the power of suggestion. Some supposedly possessed persons are actually narcissists or are suffering from low self-esteem and act a "demon possessed person" in order to gain attention.

In 1994 an Indian man living in Britain explained his criminal behavior as ghost possession. Exorcisms failed to help. Psychiatrists' diagnosis was: dissociative state and/or paranoid schizophrenia. Patient was treated with trifluoperazine and clopenthixol and the supposed ghost possession has ended.

Exorcism-related deaths

Exorcism and other forms of spiritual healing have been related to abuse and have been known to cause considerable physical harm to the exorcee, particularly when it is performed by those who believe that exorcism is necessarily a violent process. Some of the most notorious recent cases are listed below.
Anneliese Michel (September 21, 1952 - June 30, 1976) was a German college student who died after an exorcism. Her parents and the two Bavarian priests who carried out the exorcism were later convicted. The movies The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Requiem were based on her story.
Kyung-A Ha was beaten to death in 1995 in San Francisco, California by members of the Jesus-Amen Ministries.
Kyung Jae Chung died in 1996 in Glendale, California from blunt-force trauma inflicted by her husband (a reverend) and members of the Glendale Korean Methodist Church.
Charity Miranda was suffocated with a plastic bag in 1998 in Sayville, New York by her mother and sister during a Cuban Voodoo exorcism ritual.
Korean woman Joanna Lee died in early December 2001 during a violent and prolonged exorcism performed in Auckland, New Zealand by Korean church minister Luke Lee. Her decomposing body was prayed over for several days before authorities were notified. During his subsequent trial, Luke Lee claimed that Joanna Lee would rise from the dead in a few days. Lee was imprisoned but has appealed the conviction.
Terrance Cottrell Jr., an eight-year-old autistic child, died of asphyxiation in 2003 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin during an exorcism carried out by members of the Faith Temple Church of the Apostolic Faith, in an attempt to expel the boy's demons. The coroner ruled that the boy died "due to external chest compression" as the part-time pastor lay on top of him. On July 10, 2004, the pastor was convicted of child abuse.
In 2005, Maricica Irina Cornici, a 23 year old Romanian nun, who had previously received treatment for schizophrenia, heard voices telling her she was sinful. She was subjected to an unauthorised exorcism allegedly conducted by 29-year-old Daniel Petre Corogeanu, an Orthodox monk of the Holy Trinity convent in the nearby village of Tanacu. Cornici was bound to a cross, gagged with a towel, and left in a cold, dark room without food or water for three days. Initially it was believed that she died of suffocation and dehydration during the exorcism. However an autopsy carried out on the exhumed body showed that she died of an adrenaline overdose mistakenly administered by a medic.
In 2007, a 3-year-old girl in Phoenix, Arizona was hospitalized after being choked by her grandfather, Ronald Marquez, during an exorcism. Police are investigating "other possible abuses" and potential criminal charges against the mother, who has not been arrested, but found bloody and naked chanting "something that was religious in nature" while the child crying, screaming, and gasping was held in a headlock, squeezed, and choked by the woman's father. The man was eventually subdued by police officers with a stun gun after a struggle and arrested. He initially appeared normal, but stopped breathing at the scene and could not be revived. He was pronounced dead at the hospital.
In March 1992, in Oldham, UK, Kauser Bashir, a 20-year-old woman who had a history of mental illness was claimed as being possessed and beaten to death by two Muslim holy men - Mohammed Bashir (no relation) and Nourani Sayeed. With the family's consent, the exorcism performed on her lasted 8 days. She died whilst being starved of food and sleep for eight days. She was made to eat chili powder, suffered 17 broken ribs, a broken breastbone and was cut three times between her breasts. The two men were later convicted and imprisoned with life sentences. On the same date exactly 14 years later the murder victim’s father, Mohammed Bashir dosed in petrol burnt himself to death - at exactly the same location.
In November 2007, New Zealand woman Janet Moses died after a prolonged exorcism of a matuku (a Maori curse). Moses apparently died from waterlogging in the presence of 40 extended family members. Moses'cousin was later admitted to hospital with severe gouges to her eyes and bruising after another exorcism, when family members attacked her to remove a 'devil' which they saw in her eyes.
In February 2008, Susan Kay Clark died after her husband performed an exorcism on her. Her husband, Jan David Clark also claimed the demon entered his body while he was holding his wife down and made him kill her.

from Wiki

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Sirius

To an atheist, I guess it would be a case of Schizophrenia and other mental disorders. These evil spirits or mental disorders (depending on which side you are) only occur in overly sensitive and emotional individuals. It is quite strange that they never (as far as I know) occur in atheists or insensitive people.

In either case, congrats to Pamela on overcoming this.

It's the first time I witness such a case, so I can't say if it happens only to believers and not to atheists.
I guess, no one including you can say that since you're not a specialist in these things.