The existence of God

[Abu Ruman]

BTW, Einstein was a pretty atheist scientist.

The only thing he called 'God' metaphorically, were the elegant laws of nature, which he admired in the same sense any religious person admires his/her God.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Lebanese_Nationalist

That's some very nice poetry Dalzi but you still have not given us any tangible proof that God exists. Why are we supposed to look for evidence and proof for other concepts such as science but when it comes to God ignorance and nice poetry will do? Please, take that nonsense somewhere else. At least try to give us a convincing argument.

P.S. It's also quite funny to see you out of all people convince somebody else of soaking in materialism.

My post wasn't supposed to be in this thread... I didn't post it here...
Anyway, the only way to know God is through science; not by dreaming, imagining, or hallucinating. I cannot accept something that doesn't make sense to me. I'll catch up on this stuff sometime later coz there are many Gods we're talking about here.

Just one note though... Denying that Jesus existed is hilarious. As for God, that's a different story.

[Maggie]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Faithful and Stigmata

I support the Idea of Jesus existing. I believe that religions bring positive things to human being
But i do not see how a god can not prove his existence to people for 4000years up to date
Ye3ni how can he be exisitng and so strong but in case I look for him, I should go inside my heart and make these strange feelings and sensations

3an jadd there is something strange, but i don't want to offend anybody, I hope everyone can apply his own vision and may God (or whatever existing) listens to him

THANK YOU GOD (That I still don't know)

fakhr eddine
thank you for this thread really... I do believe in GOD and I will explain to you how I believe in him ... I admit that sciences has a big influence on discovering the universe for example and explain life but it's not for me only about science this has no science because there is something bigger than science.

it's not only about atoms and big bang and black holes... ok good we know there is black holes and it's grows up more and more and eat dead stars etc... BUT THE QUESTION IS: WHERE THESE BLACK HOLES CAME FROM? Science didn't give any answer till now for this question.

Second: from where the universe begin and where it ends?
Science didn't give any answer about this matter till now.


Third: the atoms which it's the cause of the existence of the Stars and the planets and
Everything swims in the galaxies.
The question is: WHERE THESE ATOMS CAME FROM?
Science didn't give us an answer about it till now?

There are many things I will not talk about it all, SO, for me, there is something bigger than science and galaxies and black holes and every single thing in this universe. And from this point I believe that GOD EXIST and GOD is the big engineer of the universe and here I stop and what comes next I don't talk about it. and no offense please I don't care about religion all the religions for me are the same and I take from them what I see it suitable to life my life with less damage and faults and that is it.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Maggie

it's not only about atoms and big bang and black holes... ok good we know there is black holes and it's grows up more and more and eat dead stars etc... BUT THE QUESTION IS: WHERE THESE BLACK HOLES CAME FROM? Science didn't give any answer till now for this question.

Every star dies at some point, some of them are more massive than others. The stars that are massive enough to collapse on themselves and become something more monstrous than what a low-mass star is limited to after its death, are black holes. That is how they form and that is a fact.

Second: from where the universe begin and where it ends?
Science didn't give any answer about this matter till now.

Thats a scientific question just like the unexplainable question of where lightening came from, was for the Greeks.

Third: the atoms which it's the cause of the existence of the Stars and the planets and
Everything swims in the galaxies.
The question is: WHERE THESE ATOMS CAME FROM?
Science didn't give us an answer about it till now?

Another scientific question. Science does not dictate a whole textbook of answers in one night, sitting there for us by our dinner table.

Its based on a very persistent, progressive continuum of asking questions and accumulating knowledge over an infinite period of time. Why should we stop?

There are many things I will not talk about it all, SO, for me, there is something bigger than science and galaxies and black holes and every single thing in this universe. And from this point I believe that GOD EXIST and GOD is the big engineer of the universe and here I stop and what comes next I don't talk about it. and no offense please I don't care about religion all the religions for me are the same and I take from them what I see it suitable to life my life with less damage and faults and that is it.[/b][/color]

So whats the point in being scientific and discovering the most elegant of truths - via the scientific method - if we're just going to terminate it and say some being did it all, just to satisy our insecurity?

Its just a way of copping out, through an easy exit route, because we are not comfortable with the fact that we dont have an answer yet.

Why do a math problem, when you have the simple, indisputed answer just sitting there in the solutons manual? Whats the point of thinking? All you have proven is that your cognitive faculties are uncomfortable with the boundaries they are limited by, so therefore we should all just safeguard our emotional insecurities by terminating the continuum of scientific questioning and sell it to some, supernatural being that necessitates no inquiry and just 'did it all', in some way we can never/will not know. It just tosses the scientific method in the bin.

Lets just throw away all the scientific books then, since their efforts will have summed up to a net of zero value at the end of the day, all because the credit inexplainably goes to this supernatural concept that 'is just there.'

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by Maggie

Third: the atoms which it's the cause of the existence of the Stars and the planets and
Everything swims in the galaxies.
The question is: WHERE THESE ATOMS CAME FROM?
Science didn't give us an answer about it till now?

All is explained in the Chronicles of the HanBoomWeeWee holidays.
You, me and every living organic formula stem from the holy spirit ( a more advanced variant of assembler coding) put by Boldophrin the Heavener inside clusters of CHNO (Carbone-Hydrogen-Nitrogen-Oxygen) embeded in an Iceball once fired at our planet by his slingshot. know though that he payed dearly for that..

But that explains only the origin of the atoms of Life as we know it here.
If you generally want to know about the origin of ZE atoms themselves, you'll have to read The Insides Of Void. The origin of nearly EVERYTHING is well explained there.
A hint: NOTHING is very much involved in the making of nearly EVERYTHING..

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by taifoon

All is explained in the Chronicles of the HanBoomWeeWee holidays.
You, me and every living organic formula stems from the holy spirit ( a more advanced variant of assembler coding) put by Boldophrin the Heavener inside clusters of CHNO (Carbone-Hydrogen-Nitrogen-Oxygen) embeded in an Iceball once fired at our planet by his slingshot. know though that he payed dearly for that..

But that explains only the origin of the atoms of Life as we know it here.
If you generally want to know about the origin of ZE atoms themselves, you'll have to read The Insides Of Void. The origin of nearly EVERYTHING is well explained there.
A hint: NOTHING is very much involved in the making of nearly EVERYTHING..

I understood nothing, I could be tired right now so I will read later in the evening in order to try to understand

[Maggie]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Every star dies at some point, some of them are more massive than others. The stars that are massive enough to collapse on themselves and become something more monstrous than what a low-mass star is limited to after its death, are black holes. That is how they form and that is a fact.



Thats a scientific question just like the unexplainable question of where lightening came from, was for the Greeks.




Another scientific question. Science does not dictate a whole textbook of answers in one night, sitting there for us by our dinner table.

Its based on a very persistent, progressive continuum of asking questions and accumulating knowledge over an infinite period of time. Why should we stop?



So whats the point in being scientific and discovering the most elegant of truths - via the scientific method - if we're just going to terminate it and say some being did it all, just to satisy our insecurity?

Its just a way of copping out, through an easy exit route, because we are not comfortable with the fact that we dont have an answer yet.

Why do a math problem, when you have the simple, indisputed answer just sitting there in the solutons manual? Whats the point of thinking? All you have proven is that your cognitive faculties are uncomfortable with the boundaries they are limited by, so therefore we should all just safeguard our emotional insecurities by terminating the continuum of scientific questioning and sell it to some, supernatural being that necessitates no inquiry and just 'did it all', in some way we can never/will not know. It just tosses the scientific method in the bin.

Lets just throw away all the scientific books then, since their efforts will have summed up to a net of zero value at the end of the day, all because the credit inexplainably goes to this supernatural concept that 'is just there.'

you didn't answer me.
and science didn't answer us before, and will never do because there are many things our mind cannot understand it. do we live in a box for example? or the uviserse has no limits? any dimension? any specific color for the universe?

look to the human body and you will see the answer. the human body is a big miracle indeed you see how it protect itself and how the body fight the viruses and how the boddy end and many other things.

this doesn't mean that i don't have an answer it's quite the contrary it's you who don't have the answer. i am giving you proofs that science and scientists cannot understand everything going on in the universe and cannot give you all the answer you want and this is a proof that GOD is exist and the universe is a miracle

[Maggie]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

I understood nothing, I could be tired right now so I will read later in the evening in order to try to understand

same here

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

I understood nothing, I could be tired right now so I will read later in the evening in order to try to understand

Originally Posted by Maggie

same here

Just point at the part you didn't understand and i'll be glad to help.
Our bureau of translation is allways @t your service

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Every star dies at some point, some of them are more massive than others. The stars that are massive enough to collapse on themselves and become something more monstrous than what a low-mass star is limited to after its death, are black holes. That is how they form and that is a fact.



Thats a scientific question just like the unexplainable question of where lightening came from, was for the Greeks.




Another scientific question. Science does not dictate a whole textbook of answers in one night, sitting there for us by our dinner table.

Its based on a very persistent, progressive continuum of asking questions and accumulating knowledge over an infinite period of time. Why should we stop?



So whats the point in being scientific and discovering the most elegant of truths - via the scientific method - if we're just going to terminate it and say some being did it all, just to satisy our insecurity?

Its just a way of copping out, through an easy exit route, because we are not comfortable with the fact that we dont have an answer yet.

Why do a math problem, when you have the simple, indisputed answer just sitting there in the solutons manual? Whats the point of thinking? All you have proven is that your cognitive faculties are uncomfortable with the boundaries they are limited by, so therefore we should all just safeguard our emotional insecurities by terminating the continuum of scientific questioning and sell it to some, supernatural being that necessitates no inquiry and just 'did it all', in some way we can never/will not know. It just tosses the scientific method in the bin.

Lets just throw away all the scientific books then, since their efforts will have summed up to a net of zero value at the end of the day, all because the credit inexplainably goes to this supernatural concept that 'is just there.'

You are mixing two different concepts. The motivation to find answers to problems we are faced with on a scientific level and the belief that things did not simply come to be in an arbitrary way out of the blue.
From the scientific perspective it actually makes more sense to add purpose when you are flowing through the sequences of why and how when trying to bring a scientific problem to a solution. Some people may evidently go against the flow and attribute to god all what they’re too lazy to solve, but that’s not the main trend.
I personally think that the more you unveil about the physical world around you the closer it gets you to how it all started, and perhaps enables you understand the concept of God a bit further. So rest assured, believing in a supreme being does not deliver a blow to scientific methodologies.