The existence of God

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by faithful

Fakhreddine , Yes i believe that Jesus exists and he came on earth to save me.
I beleive that he loves me so he chose to die for me.
I beleive in him because i am living with him everyday. I talk to him and he talks to me.
I am not telling you theories, i am telling you facts that happened with me. He saved me from my sadness, he carried me when i was weak, he hugged with his love when i was afraid and lost. He taugh me patient, he gave me hope, he gave me faith, he gave me strength, he show me the truth, he put peace in my heart. He taugh me how to love, how to forgive. He saved me when i was dead and he send me back to life.

Yes i believe in him , i believe in his infinite love and i thank him everyday for what he did to me and for what he gave me.

Fakhreddine to have faith doesn't need a scientific proof , just search inside your heart and you will find Jesus there waiting for you. And when you succeed , you will feel happiness you never felt in your whole life. The true Happiness, the True Love, and an incredible Peace in your Heart.

Thank you Jesus because you loved me THAT much!!

Faithful and Stigmata

I support the Idea of Jesus existing. I believe that religions bring positive things to human being
But i do not see how a god can not prove his existence to people for 4000years up to date
Ye3ni how can he be exisitng and so strong but in case I look for him, I should go inside my heart and make these strange feelings and sensations

3an jadd there is something strange, but i don't want to offend anybody, I hope everyone can apply his own vision and may God (or whatever existing) listens to him

THANK YOU GOD (That I still don't know)

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Faithful and Stigmata

I support the Idea of Jesus existing. I believe that religions bring positive things to human being

That's good!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

But i do not see how a god can not prove his existence to people for 4000years up to date
Ye3ni how can he be exisitng and so strong but in case I look for him, I should go inside my heart and make these strange feelings and sensations

You think that he didn't bring proofs yet! What about sending his own son? What about miracles? What about those persons who really believed in him and are saints now? What about this strenght in our heart when we are believers??
What about YOUR EXISTENCE? OURS? What about THAT world that never STOPS and it's WORKING from YEARS and YEARS!! Ma 3éti2!! Do you think it would have happened without a HOLY HAND!! Look at your watch! (cette miniature qui fonctionne avec de petits éléments! Elle a besoin de tant d'attention et de ponctualité! Que dire alors de ce monde qui ne s'est jamais mis en panne! Tu crois qu'un homme seul l'a créé! Ce grand univers composé de MILLIERS de galaxies qu'on ne peut même pas voir! Tout ce que l'homme a pu savoir, à travers les temps et les recherches, concerne cette petit VOIE LACTÉE qui contient le soleil et les 9 autres planètes dont l'UNE seule (TERRE) est peuplée!! L'homme a découvert plein de choses, mais pas tout! Des mystères restent à trouver).

What about those holy books (each following his relidgion) that talked about EVERYTHING and are available to ANY moments in HISTORY just like if they knew what will happen until the end of time!! For me if the EVANGILE (as a Christian) wasn't RIGHT, it wouldn't have SURVIVED!!

All of that... They're not proofs!!
If you need more, believe me, and I'm not attacking you- Don't misunderstand please-, if you see GOD by your OWN eyes, you will not believe! FAITH NEEDS NO PROOF!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

3an jadd there is something strange, but i don't want to offend anybody, I hope everyone can apply his own vision and may God (or whatever existing) listens to him

Nothing is really strange UNLESS if we want to look at it Thomas' way!
It all depends on your faith! Just a little faith Fakhr, a little one! And believe me you are not offending ANYBODY but yourself, because you are not enjoying the MIRACLES of that FAITH! It can do MIRACLES in your Life!! Just TRY!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

THANK YOU GOD (That I still don't know)

yes thank you because you gave me that GRACE to be able to talk about YOU! You, whom respected me, my feelings, my needs...everything!

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Faithful and Stigmata

I support the Idea of Jesus existing. I believe that religions bring positive things to human being
But i do not see how a god can not prove his existence to people for 4000years up to date
Ye3ni how can he be exisitng and so strong but in case I look for him, I should go inside my heart and make these strange feelings and sensations

3an jadd there is something strange, but i don't want to offend anybody, I hope everyone can apply his own vision and may God (or whatever existing) listens to him

THANK YOU GOD (That I still don't know)

Fakhr eddine
God work in mystrious way beyond human mind .... but not beyond human heart ... i just know he is there .... you did nt see him with your eyes yet you can feel him in your heart if you open your heart remember Jesus said: knock on the door and i shall open , ... do we even take the time to knock ?
you can see him in your daily events even in the sadess ones he is there but we often look the other way because we are in a hurry and it is easier to just rush instead of stop and search for a second ...
i did not see Him .... but i heard Him as weird as this might sound to you but i did and i know He is there my bad times my misery is the fruit of human bad behavior not his work ... He was there to save me in the worst times and helped me to go on . thats how a learned to stop and listen more often ! thats how i reached inner peace ! He is there we simply look the other way most of the time . We poor humans drawn in our own misery and most of the time forget to knock on the door .....

Kakou Amen and thank you for this thread . may we be able to reach higher level of love that can lead us to peace . Happy easter to all .

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Faithful and Stigmata

I support the Idea of Jesus existing. I believe that religions bring positive things to human being
But i do not see how a god can not prove his existence to people for 4000years up to date
Ye3ni how can he be exisitng and so strong but in case I look for him, I should go inside my heart and make these strange feelings and sensations

3an jadd there is something strange, but i don't want to offend anybody, I hope everyone can apply his own vision and may God (or whatever existing) listens to him

THANK YOU GOD (That I still don't know)

God doesn't need to prove his existence to us... We're the ones who need him. You are asked to examine, seek, and find the truth... You can't feel God because you're drowing in the body and soaking in materialism. To know God, look with the eye of His spirit that’s inside every one of us... You'll find your soul leading you to Him... Examine the world, everything around you, the concepts of good and evil... where did they come from?... etc... "تفكروا في خلق السماوات و الارض"

"Soon We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things".

Not convinced Fakhr eddine, do what I did... Go watch someone dying a "slow" death... but make sure you watch carefully and think of what's happening as you watch. Touch the person and see what happens... "إن الله قهرعباده بالموت"

Still not convinced; then there's nothing we can do for you, you're gonna have to wait till you die yourself... but unfotunately it will be too late then :D...

"All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth declare the Praises and Glory of God, the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One, the Almighty, the Wise”.... This is The Truth...

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by Kakou

That's good!

You think that he didn't bring proofs yet! What about sending his own son? What about miracles? What about those persons who really believed in him and are saints now? What about this strenght in our heart when we are believers??
What about YOUR EXISTENCE? OURS? What about THAT world that never STOPS and it's WORKING from YEARS and YEARS!! Ma 3éti2!! Do you think it would have happened without a HOLY HAND!! Look at your watch! (cette miniature qui fonctionne avec de petits éléments! Elle a besoin de tant d'attention et de ponctualité! Que dire alors de ce monde qui ne s'est jamais mis en panne! Tu crois qu'un homme seul l'a créé! Ce grand univers composé de MILLIERS de galaxies qu'on ne peut même pas voir! Tout ce que l'homme a pu savoir, à travers les temps et les recherches, concerne cette petit VOIE LACTÉE qui contient le soleil et les 9 autres planètes dont l'UNE seule (TERRE) est peuplée!! L'homme a découvert plein de choses, mais pas tout! Des mystères restent à trouver).

What about those holy books (each following his relidgion) that talked about EVERYTHING and are available to ANY moments in HISTORY just like if they knew what will happen until the end of time!! For me if the EVANGILE (as a Christian) wasn't RIGHT, it wouldn't have SURVIVED!!

All of that... They're not proofs!!
If you need more, believe me, and I'm not attacking you- Don't misunderstand please-, if you see GOD by your OWN eyes, you will not believe! FAITH NEEDS NO PROOF!

Nothing is really strange UNLESS if we want to look at it Thomas' way!
It all depends on your faith! Just a little faith Fakhr, a little one! And believe me you are not offending ANYBODY but yourself, because you are not enjoying the MIRACLES of that FAITH! It can do MIRACLES in your Life!! Just TRY!

yes thank you because you gave me that GRACE to be able to talk about YOU! You, whom respected me, my feelings, my needs...everything!

By reading your post, I feel either I have a psychological problem or you have

I do not see any proofs of the existing of Jesus , all what you talked about above is not scientific. The worst part is when you say that because we don't know who created so and so and so , then it is God and God exist

This is called in mathematics la demonstration par negation , c'est quand tu preuves que quelques chose existe car sa negation n'exisite pas

Mais il faut attendre avant de faire ta conclusion, car on pourra a n'importe quel instant decouvrir les secrets de ce monde et peut etre ca ne sera pas Dieu qui la cree

Mais de toute facon je suis avec toutes les valeurs de la religion chretienne et je crois et j'applique ces valeurs la parce qu'elles sont juste pour l'humanite. Mais je pense que les idees de Dieu et Jesus et miracle plutot les religions sont des revelations humaines car l'homme cherche toujours a dieu qui est plus puissant que lui et qui le domine

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

By reading your post, I feel either I have a psychological problem or you have

It's certainly not me!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

I do not see any proofs of the existing of Jesus , all what you talked about above is not scientific. The worst part is when you say that because we don't know who created so and so and so , then it is God and God exist. This is called in mathematics la demonstration par negation, c'est quand tu preuves que quelques chose existe car sa negation n'exisite pas

I don't care about scientific proofs because I have my FAITH! Sciences will forever try to find out about the mysteries and will never succeed!! He created everythin in 6 days, it's mean Million years that they are trying to find out everything and they can't!!
BTW, I didn't say that WE DON'T KNOW WHO created, so it's GOD!! I said that ALL of WHAT has been created NEEDS a HOLY HAND!!
And I said that FAITH NEEDS NO PROOF!

De plus, par le seul fait que tu prononces le mot "DIEU", tu prouves son existence, car on ne parle pas de choses INEXISTANTES!! Alors, reste à DÉCIDER ou NON de le SUIVRE ou de s'entêter à trouver des preuves!!
Donc, il ne s'agit plus d'existence mais de croyance!!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Mais il faut attendre avant de faire ta conclusion, car on pourra a n'importe quel instant decouvrir les secrets de ce monde et peut etre ca ne sera pas Dieu qui la cree

A Dieu ne plaise!! Es-tu juif par hasard!! Ceux-là qui veulent attendre: si Jésus ne vient pas, on croirait à l'ancien!! C'est bizarre! Vraiment Bizarre!!
Tout est accompli avec son arrivée!! Tout ce qui a été INSCRIT dans les anciens livres, TOUT, Absolument TOUT!!
Attends jusqu'à la fin des temps si TON DIEU (La science) te permettrait de vivre plus que Dieu aurait permis!! Attends seul!! Je n'attendrai pas avec toi!! Quand j'ai le grand TRÉSOR, je n'attendrai pas les pourboires!!

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Mais de toute facon je suis avec toutes les valeurs de la religion chretienne et je crois et j'applique ces valeurs la parce qu'elles sont juste pour l'humanite. Mais je pense que les idees de Dieu et Jesus et miracle plutot les religions sont des revelations humaines car l'homme cherche toujours a dieu qui est plus puissant que lui et qui le domine

Les valeurs humaines existent tant que tu es BONHOMME!! Le christianisme te donne un PUSH supplémentaire et fondamentale avec UNE SEULE GRANDE différence: Tout tourne autour d'un seul AXE, le plus important d'ailleurs: C'est l'AMOUR!! Fais n'importe quoi avec amour, tu seras un VRAI chrétien!

Je ne te force pas à croire, mais penses-y!

[LebanesePride]

Originally Posted by Kakou

It's certainly not me!



I don't care about scientific proofs because I have my FAITH! Sciences will forever try to find out about the mysteries and will never succeed!! He created everythin in 6 days, it's mean Million years that they are trying to find out everything and they can't!!

Theyve explained quite a few actually.
While religion has not explained any.

De plus, par le seul fait que tu prononces le mot "DIEU", tu prouves son existence, car on ne parle pas de choses INEXISTANTES!! Alors, reste à DÉCIDER ou NON de le SUIVRE ou de s'entêter à trouver des preuves!!

mmmmmm so if a little child speaks of vampires under his bed, that means they exist?

Attends jusqu'à la fin des temps si TON DIEU (La science) te permettrait de vivre plus que Dieu aurait permis!!

Science already allows us to live more than "god" does.

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Theyve explained quite a few actually.
While religion has not explained any.

It seems that you never open a Holy book, in which you can find everything about anything!!

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

mmmmmm so if a little child speaks of vampires under his bed, that means they exist?.

It's a totally different thing!! A boy speak about vampire because he sees them in films!! But who said that vampire didn't exist?/ This kind of creature were certainly inspired or by a real kind of them or by the "BARBARS" (french word) whom were eating each other!!

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Science already allows us to live more than "god" does.

Really??
Didn't you notice that BEFORE SCIENCE, people were living more (je ne parle pas des remèdes qu'ils ont trouvés pour les petites maladies) because they were eating HEALTHY, because NATURE knows what kind should be eaten now and what kind in another season!!

Furthermore, you are rejecting GOD to believe in Science, while I'm not rejecting Science to accept God!! God made CREATED what Sciences are trying to prove and to find out!! And, at the end of time, trust me, they will DISCOVER that GOD did everything!! You don't have to wait toooooooo much, because it will suddenly appear to you as a simple person, by your death maybe!!

This topic was not to discuss God's existance but just to thank him!! don't thank him if you don't feel like but don't critisize others!!
Thanks!!

PS: Search for him in your daily life and you'll find him waiting for you!!

[terror]

Originally Posted by Kakou

Didn't you notice that BEFORE SCIENCE, people were living more (je ne parle pas des remèdes qu'ils ont trouvés pour les petites maladies) because they were eating HEALTHY, because NATURE knows what kind should be eaten now and what kind in another season!!

That's not really true. Human beings today live on average more than they have ever lived in the entire human history.



This apart from the fact that this issue is not really relevant to the topic :)

[coralie]

Fakhr eddine Lebansepride terror
un peu de science nous eloingne de Dieu ....beaucoup de science raproche de Dieu ... analisez bien cette phrase tout le sens y est ...